ADEIMANTOS: because ( we love ) my daddy,

of course hes still together.

whole o whole,

he would be whole,

( we would be whole ) ( Hole ),

but he would be much better that way,

once she handled his translation,

SOKRATES: but(the)(standing-in-need-of)(binding-

fettering-tying)selves,

(to-by-for)the shipowner always himself,

(would be)pouring-crowding-around(himself)

(the standing-in-need-of)(binding-fettering-tying-himselves),

αὐτοὺς δὲ ( αὐτῷ ἀεὶ τῷ (488ξ) ναυκλήρῳ ) περικεχύσθαι δεομένους

ADEIMANTOS: and indeed, honey ( frowning

at an obsolete many ) judging by these,

( this we should keep to myself ) he draws

that kind of man ( not to mention all

the textbook ) ( textbooks )

( eyes blur ),

SOKRATES: and(indeed)all(are)making-and-doing

(poetries)so that the rudder would turn-over

(if you entrusted)(you will be left-to)(given-

up, yield)to-for-by-them,

καὶ πάντα ποιοῦντας ὅπως ἂν σφίσι τὸ πηδάλιον ἐπιτρέψῃ,

ADEIMANTOS: but she, at least, was already entrusted

( we think once ) to them, to be para-diced

on the big-bad wave-slicin sea-wolf,

( not good pirates ),

SOKRATES: but sometimes if( they )dont persuade

( to-by-for persuasion ),

ἐνίοτε δ᾽ ἂν μὴ πείθωσιν

ADEIMANTOS: at least dyad-( twice ),

then they stop being so dyad-nice,

( we-being more generous

we let you guess how many tries ),

SOKRATES: but still others(o others do)more,

(implicit flock of sheep)(implicit tress of hair),

ἀλλὰ ἄλλοι μᾶλλον,

ADEIMANTOS: and ( many times ) she paid that price

( unspeakable ) as a result of which

then-and-there ( we-being sides with

herself, refusing his delivery ),

SOKRATES: even killing the others or throwing(them)out of the ship, 

τοὺς μὲν ἄλλους ἢ ἀποκτεινύντας ἢ ἐκβάλλοντας ἐκ τῆς νεώς,

ADEIMANTOS: but to save his Politeia formidable,

( the quiet hopes and ugly thoughts ),

its famously not a funny trip,

SOKRATES: but(they), binding-hand-and-foot

the well-becoming(well-begetting)shipowner,

(to-by-for)mandrake or strong-drink

(you sit among)(you would let-go)

or by some other(thing), (they)rule

the(temple-dwellings)(using)(experiencing)(oracle-

proclaimings)of(the)ship(to-by-for)being-in —

τὸν δὲ γενναῖον ναύκληρον μανδραγόρᾳ

ἢ μέθῃ ἤ τινι ἄλλῳ συμποδίσαντας

τῆς νεὼς ἄρχειν χρωμένους τοῖς ἐνοῦσι,

ADEIMANTOS: ( laughs ) did nobody realize

he was just bridling Heraclite? tois enousi,

to-by-for being-in( ships ), horses transparently,

( the rosy dreams and constant fears ) to-by-

for being-in ( the cleverest ) nous ( noose )

( ha ha ) whars me rum ( just kidding

about the noose ) ( says a rabbit

or a hare ),

SOKRATES: and(indeed)those, drinking and(indeed)feasting-

and-being-entertained(more),

ADEIMANTOS: true ( we-being ) pirates dont eat rabbits

or hares ( but we-being our own entertainment ),

SOKRATES: (they)sail the sea

as the(image)likeness(of)such as these,

καὶ πίνοντάς τε καὶ εὐωχουμένους πλεῖν ὡς τὸ εἰκὸς τοὺς τοιούτους,

ADEIMANTOS: ( we may be bunny pirates )

but those not-good pirates

( we keep spilling them )

that poetry-not( to-by-for )( we slip

the noose )-( the noose slips we ),

SOKRATES: but(those), praising-commending(nous)

toward(against)these,

πρὸς δὲ τούτοις ἐπαινοῦντας (488δ)

ADEIMANTOS: but clown-fish ( the secrets

that scare me ) in pretty glass bowls

just make me laugh, or fighting fish-( the maskmaker

likes those . . . but we can go swimming,

we can even breathe underwater,

true story. on Adventuress,

the first thing they-we did,

as women at the helm, yes really,

was share what superpower

each we-her would choose

and why ) ( well, this

being why ),

SOKRATES: and(indeed)even(beauty-)calling(things)ship-things

and(indeed kubernetikos)steering-skill

and(indeed)knowing(standing-upon)(claiming knowledge

of)things according(through the)sea, 

ναυτικὸν μὲν καλοῦντας καὶ κυβερνητικὸν

καὶ ἐπιστάμενον τὰ κατὰ ναῦν,

ADEIMANTOS: well thats plain bonkers. isnt he?

how could a mortal man stand on the water?

but can he even ride a horse ( it takes that barely

to hear the sea ) let alone keep a chariot seat?

( and she doesnt spill me ) ( not yet at least )

( and youre still there ) ( so maybe we

such as ship-things could be . . . )

and this may be what jihad means

for he,

SOKRATES: (would)he(who be)terrible(fearful-danger-suffering-horror-

awe-illegal-terror-arbitrary-wondrous-marvellously-

strong-powerful-strange-clever-skillful-one),

would(he)gather-together(seize,

take with him, carry-off)?

ὃς ἂν συλλαμβάνειν δεινὸς ᾖ

ADEIMANTOS: as long as he has-and-holds,

as ( listening ) ( to we-being ) ( were ) his law,

( we keep our inner-making-out

of hors-oars-ears-orses,

secrets to the sea

like mermaid queens

with feisty tridents

like Durgas weapon

and with her tongue sticking out,

as the girls in Penestanan always carry her

for Ogoh-Ogoh ) ( its a festival

amazing to behold ),

SOKRATES: so that(they would)be first and rule

(they will rule)(by-will-being-ruling)or persuading

or constraining the shipowner,

ᾖ ὅπως ἄρξουσιν ἢ πείθοντες ἢ βιαζόμενοι τὸν ναύκληρον,

ADEIMANTOS: that sounds like a dangerous

man-being-( puts on reading glasses )-job.

but ( we-being ) ( not scared ) of him ( hes just

a plushie ) ( nur other daddy-men ) ( nar whale

she sophist be ) ( sea-walking daughter

of a dancer ) ( she-pirate ) indeed,

SOKRATES: but(those who are)not such as this,

(they are)blaming as useless(unprofitable,

unserviceable),

τὸν δὲ μὴ τοιοῦτον ψέγοντας ὡς ἄχρηστον,

ADEIMANTOS: and indeed ( we )i( being ) wonder.

whether those curs would blame the solid stance

of irony, to walk her proffered plank

( even for a little wrestle ) ( tee hee )

seeing-( a naked woman )-we.

naked is how we wrestle

on the Politeia.

//

from Republic VI