the valley below

i. ( katabasis of ) plums

ADEIMANTOS: this wind is never late. whether today,

whether yesterday, whether tomorrow. but when she blew,

SOKRATES: down(we)went(and came)(they came)(and went)(against-

over-through)(downwind, leeward)(in accordance with, in relation

to)(descended)(dismounted)(downstairs)(from horseback)(from

a chariot)(from inland to the sea)(into the scene

of contest)(from the tribune)(down to Hades)(we-they die,

set, cease)(so they and we)(attained

our end)yesterday,

(327α) κατέβην χθὲς

ADEIMANTOS: not this time to Hades; but where-to?

SOKRATES: to(the)Peiraius(which, for strangers,

on the open spaces,

was the famous harbor of Athens),

εἰς Πειραιᾶ

ADEIMANTOS: and you didnt go alone; how and who was guiding you?

SOKRATES: with(among-between)Glaukon(gleaming-gray-blue-

eyes-pine-cone)of Ariston(the best)(breakfast-brunch),

(we-he)(intending to be)offering(-through)prayers(and vows),

μετὰ Γλαύκωνος τοῦ Ἀρίστωνος προσευξόμενός

ADEIMANTOS: and not because they forced you to; but why?

SOKRATES: and(to-by-for)the god(he would behold with wonder),

τε τῇ θεῷ

ADEIMANTOS: something youd never seen before; but what?

SOKRATES: and(indeed)at the same time, wishing to behold(

observe, watch, gaze at)who-which-what turn(direction, way,

manner, fashion, guise, habit, custom, character,

temper, mode, manner, style)(they would)(will)make-

and-do(by making-doing-poetry)the festival

(feast-holiday),

καὶ ἅμα τὴν ἑορτὴν βουλόμενος θεάσασθαι τίνα τρόπον ποιήσουσιν

ADEIMANTOS: the festival; shes who?

SOKRATES: (she)who(just as, as if, so as, inasmuch as, seeing that

)now(presently)(her hims would be)leading(carrying-off, fetching,

bringing, guiding, drawing-out, holding, celebrating, keeping,

observing, sustaining, maintaining, holding-account,

treating, drawing-down and ripening

his)first,

ἅτε νῦν πρῶτον ἄγοντες.

ADEIMANTOS: his first pupil, his first

mate, first-second-self, just so

( the plums are getting colour )

but did he do it for the fruit,

MEDEIS: and(even indeed, o month, o moon)we saw

(they saw)Sisuphos(o pain-dyad)(o pains, of body, of mind,

of grief, of heartache, everything that causes pain)suffering

pain(he was suffering, smarting with pain, being ill, suffering

hardship, grieving, mental anguish)(in pain)having-

and-holding(bearing, carrying, bringing-

along)pain(Sisuphos),

καὶ μὴν Σίσυφον εἰσεῖδον κρατέρ᾽ ἄλγε᾽ ἔχοντα

ADEIMANTOS: or did he do it (to-by-for) itself,

MEDEIS: (o mighty-monstrous-prodigious-humongous thing)

(monstrous)(to behold)(look-upon)(to seize-hold)the stone,

lifting-up(exalting, ennobling)(the bearing, carrying)(of holding

in his hands)(considering, weighing, deliberating-on

the bearing, enduring)(the produce, yield, of earths

)(of carrying-off)(taking-away)the mighty(painful)monster

(of pain)prodigious(ly painful)humongous(pains

)(o dyad-pain),

λᾶαν βαστάζοντα πελώριον

ADEIMANTOS: or did he do it (to-by-for) we-being,

MEDEIS: (to-by-for)(partaking of)both(together, towards

both sides, both ways, from and on both sides)(one with

another),

ἀμφοτέρῃσιν.

ADEIMANTOS: (to-by-for) some kind of harmony,

MEDEIS: we were(or)(eh?)(in truth)(he was saying)(to-

by-for)you(look,

you), (even-indeed)supporting

(by pressing, leaning, applying

his weight)(to-by-for)both hands(arms)(acts)(deeds)(blows)(violent

measures)(handiwork)and(to-by-for)feet(the lower corners of

the sail, the ropes fastened therelo, the sheets)(haul it tight

or let it go)(the rudder or steering-paddle)(feet

in prosody, phrases and passages, breath-

by-breath),

595 ἦ τοι ὁ μὲν σκηριπτόμενος χερσίν τε ποσίν τε

ADEIMANTOS: so even when it seems crazy,

MEDEIS: (foolish-dyad)(silly, witless)(to behold)(look-upon)

(to seize-hold)the stone(we would accomplish, finish)

(moving upwards)(from Hades)(back)(up from the Piraeus)(silly,

witless)(dyad-foolish, he)was pushing(thrusting, throwing, rushing)

toward the crest of the hill(ridge)(back of the horses neck,

its withers, under-yoke)(spine of a helmet)(crest of a cockatiel)

(cockscomb)(silly, witless)(dyad-foolish),

λᾶαν ἄνω ὤθεσκε ποτὶ λόφον:

ADEIMANTOS: until we laugh

( when ) ( fall is falling on me )

until we cry, until we die,

until we dance,

SOKRATES: but still(otherwise, o others, o she-others,

o he-other, o she-dyad)(other she-dyad, other shes

and its)(the other its, the other she-dyad)(to-by-for

the other-she),

ἀλλ᾽,

ADEIMANTOS: but blues dont leave other blues behind,

SOKRATES: but if(they-others are)(the other is)

(we are)(see there!)(we say)(we)i(being),

ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ,

ADEIMANTOS: for blues we need a public school,

SOKRATES: (to-by-for)such(things)as these(flowing-forsaken-

flowings)being(accomplished fulfilled)completed —

(to-by-for)education(o educations, child-rearings, trainings,

teachings, learnings, cultures of trees, twisted handiworks

of Egypt, ropes of papyrus, etc, all thats taught and learned,

arts, sciences)(rearing of a child), and(indeed, to-by-for)growth

(age, generation)(o generations)(you will be young, the prime

of life), there-and-then — (and)not alone(solitary, the only,

forsaken, unique)(you wouldnt make solitary)

(you dont make solitary),

would(you)(yes, you)turn-over(transfer, bequeath, commit,

entrust-to, rely-upon, leave)the(she)city(to these,

beings-completed by education

and by growth,

not complete as left-

alone)?

( τελειωθεῖσι τοῖς τοιούτοις παιδείᾳ τε καὶ ἡλικίᾳ ἆρα οὐ μόνοις )

ἂν τὴν πόλιν ἐπιτρέποις;

ADEIMANTOS: we would if you would, you beautiful maniac,

writing curses such as these, whose secret Pythagorean number-

being Kirkes merkin, o hello children,

MEDEIS: but still when(ever)(it)(would be about to)(likely to)

(destined)(to throw-over)(run beyond)(outstrip or pass)(overpower)

(go beyond, exceed)(delay longer)(exceed the time)

(overbid)(outbid)(go on further-and-further)(bidding more-

and-more)(pass-over)(cross-over mountains, rivers, surmounting

)(double the headland)(runnover, overflow, of rivers,

of a star, getting hot, and hotter)

(o mountain-top)(the peak)

(topmost)(the farthest-

ADEIMANTOS: — ( o how are we hyper-perfectionist-procrastinators

hyper-perfectionist-sleepers-and-dreamers

but we also are the laziest of beekeepers

always let the boss-do-work himself ) —

MEDEIA: edge)(about to)(nightfall)(will-consummate)

(the end)(higher)(extremity)(likely to, )(the highest-pitch,

is)destined, (the pride)(the greatest)(height,

extreme)(the peak —

ἀλλ᾽ ὅτε μέλλοι ἄκρον ὑπερβαλέειν,

ADEIMANTOS: when we would reach out for the sun,

MEDEIS: )then, it would turn back(in flight)(turn back to flight)

(send home again)(all the way to Hades)(twisting back

the hands)(and feet)(so as to tie them)(back-again)(back-

wards)(to-by-for the)mighty-weight(mother of Skulla)(back-

again)(backwards)(the Mighty-

one)(the mighty-weight),

τότ᾽ ἀποστρέψασκε κραταιίς:

ADEIMANTOS: and then be seized by cursed fate,

MEDEIS: back again, anew, hereafter, in turn, thereupon, there-

after, then, what follows, to the ground, earthwards, down,

to the bottom(the shameless)(ruthless)(reckless)(greedy)(lost)

(no sense of decency)(careless)(insatiate)(stupid)

(stone)was rolling round-and-round, revolving, rolling-whirling-

down, wallowing down, much-talked-of, mouth-to-mouth,

and round-and-round, the stone(you seize and hold)

(you grip)(you behold)(back at the bottom, you

)(look)(back up-upon —

αὖτις ἔπειτα πέδονδε κυλίνδετο λᾶας ἀναιδής.

ADEIMANTOS: all thats been undone ( how many times )

( but this time shes not defeated ) we-being never defeated

( we-being fiber-artists ) ( rippit ) across the sea,

SAILORS: and(indeed, he was)(Adeimantos)(a)fearless prophet.

καὶ ὁ Ἀδείμαντος,

ADEIMANTOS: O Sokrates,

ὦ Σώκρατες,

SAILORS: (he)was saying(declaring, affirming, asserting),

ἔφη,

SOKRATES: to-by-for the Politeia,

ADEIMANTOS: towards(-against-through)(even-indeed)

these(things), (we-being)(to-by-for)you, such as nobody

would(thats you-know-who)(he was permitting, allowing,

letting be)(let be, you)speak against(gainsay, contradict,

in-reply-to)(in questioning)(in dispute),

πρὸς μὲν ταῦτά σοι οὐδεὶς ἂν οἷός τ᾽ εἴη ἀντειπεῖν.

SOKRATES: seems such as he :P

ADEIMANTOS: for, but still, the(men)hearing something such as this

(will be)affected(influenced, by passion or feeling, come-to-be in

a certain state of mind, suffer)(to-by-for suffering)each time(

the she-dyad which, as)now,

(you would)(man-speaking)speak(gather-

recount),

ἀλλὰ γὰρ τοιόνδε τι πάσχουσιν οἱ ἀκούοντες ἑκάστοτε ἃ νῦν λέγεις:

SOKRATES: O least-worst-man-speaking-suffering men,

ADEIMANTOS: (they)lead the way(go before, guide, command, rule, believe, hold)

(you will set the warp in the loom, begin the web)(he was putting

to flight, giving chase)(chase, you!)(o divine)(things divine)(to-by-for

the divine-she)through inexperience(ignorances, want of skill)

(through infinities)of asking(to ask)(questioning, begging)

(to question)(they were questioning)(we were questioning)

(o questioning)(questioning)(the questioning),

ἡγοῦνται δι᾽ ἀπειρίαν τοῦ ἐρωτᾶν

SOKRATES: that sounds like me, to me, at least,

ADEIMANTOS: and(indeed)to separate(to part, determine, distinguish,

choose, reject, decide, give answers, replies, defending)by(from-

under)the logos(word-speech-account),

καὶ ἀποκρίνεσθαι ὑπὸ τοῦ λόγου

SOKRATES: thats the gist,

ADEIMANTOS: by(beside)each question-asked, (a)little(small)bit(

being-mislead, brought from the side, brought round,

brought forward, lead-aside from the way, diverted,

being-influenced, brought-forward, being-introduced,

as witness, being-produced, delivered stealthily, slipped-in),

παρ᾽ ἕκαστον τὸ ἐρώτημα σμικρὸν παραγόμενοι,

SOKRATES: oligen orgen, as often said,

ADEIMANTOS: of the small(little)(ones being)gathered-

together(collected, mustered, strung, hoarded, collected)

at the end(completion, accomplishment, event, issue

)of the speeches(accounts-arguments-reckonings)(they

and we were fond of talking)(o being-fond-of)(being-

fond-of)(speeches-accounts)(introducing)(to introduce)great

(big, vast, high, full-grown, mighty, strong)the failure(oops,

a trip, stumble, fault, error, false-step)(we would be thrown-off

)(be thrown, you)(he was thrown off the horse),

ἁθροισθέντων τῶν σμικρῶν ἐπὶ τελευτῆς τῶν λόγων μέγα τὸ σφάλμα

SOKRATES: myself more like a stingray fish, but please continue,

ADEIMANTOS: and(indeed)to be shown-forth(brought-to-light,

produced, made-known, made-to-blaze, displayed,

as)opposite(contrary, reverse)(to-by-for)the first

(earlier, destined)(accounts),

καὶ ἐναντίον τοῖς πρώτοις ἀναφαίνεσθαι,

SOKRATES: oopsie, maybe the logos slipped,

ADEIMANTOS: and(indeed)even as by(from-under)(such as)

the(round-mystic-vessels)deinos(terrible, marvellously clever,

wondrously strange, powerful)(ones)(they were exaggerating

)(we were exaggerating)(to exaggerate)(the men)(will be

in dire straits)(at)playing(some game like gamblers)checkers,

καὶ ὥσπερ ὑπὸ τῶν πεττεύειν δεινῶν

SOKRATES: dont they like checkers?

ADEIMANTOS: those(men)shut(off)out(excluded-from, inter-

cepted, barred)(and)not finishing(accomplishing, fulfilling),

οἱ μὴ τελευτῶντες ἀποκλείονται

SOKRATES: those poor men. surely youve heard, its really hard,

ADEIMANTOS: and(indeed)dont have-and-hold(bear-carry-

bring)(by having-and-holding)(by bearing-carrying-bringing

)that(they would)(bear, carry, endure, suffer, admit, offer,

present, produce, pay due, carry off, as a prize, and win)

(what was his destiny, his fate),

καὶ οὐκ ἔχουσιν ὅτι (487ξ) φέρωσιν,

SOKRATES: o lovers of carrying prizes, the men of whom you speak,

ADEIMANTOS: and(indeed)in this way those(men)finishing(

accomplishing, fulfiling, bringing-to-pass)(are)shut(off

)out(excluded-from, intercepted, barred),

οὕτω καὶ σφεῖς τελευτῶντες ἀποκλείεσθαι

SOKRATES: from a room of their own,

ADEIMANTOS: and(indeed)dont have-and-hold that(they would)speak(

recount, gather, pick-up)again(and in turn)by(from-

under)this(some)other(she)(gamblers)checkers

(bow wow)(that bitch),

καὶ οὐκ ἔχειν ὅτι λέγωσιν ὑπὸ πεττείας αὖ ταύτης τινὸς ἑτέρας,

SOKRATES: boo hoo cat poo,

ADEIMANTOS: not in small round stones(pebbles, counters,

gems, abacus, used for divination, voting),

οὐκ ἐν ψήφοις

SOKRATES: be Sylvia Plath, be Nina Simone,

o best of men, go ( and come and ) be unknown,

ADEIMANTOS: but still in words(speeches-arguments-accounts),

ἀλλ᾽ ἐν λόγοις:

SOKRATES: but when they lack the stones for silence,

then they try me,

ADEIMANTOS: since(o dyad-word-song)(you approach)(the dyad-

word-song)(you are)(to-by-for word-song),

the true(unconcealed)(truly-unconcealedly)at least

(does)nt-at-all have-and-hold some very(flock of wool

or lock of hair)(the true-unconcealed)(to-by-for)this(-she),

ἐπεὶ τό γε ἀληθὲς οὐδέν τι μᾶλλον ταύτῃ ἔχειν.

SOKRATES: o lack of imagination, its their favorite remedy.

maybe try to hemlock this-she,

ADEIMANTOS: but(we)speak(gather-recount)looking steadfastly

(gazing, regarding, paying attention-to, looking-upon)

(you regard steadfastly)the(we-)being-present,

λέγω δ᾽ εἰς τὸ παρὸν ἀποβλέψας.

SOKRATES: then look steadfastly at me,

( hi. we mean, hello. man, here! )

ADEIMANTOS: for now, somebody would say, someone even

(indeed)(does)nt have-and-hold(to-by-for)your(we-)word(speech-

argument-account)to oppose(set-oneself-against, withstand),

according(through)each questioning(asking),

νῦν γὰρ φαίη ἄν τίς σοι λόγῳ μὲν οὐκ ἔχειν καθ᾽ ἕκαστον τὸ ἐρωτώμενον ἐναντιοῦσθαι,

SOKRATES: we say to somebody ( o insufferable he ) we have-and-hold

(to-by-for)nobody ( he seems to be mc ),

ADEIMANTOS: but(to-by-for the)deed(work, act)to see,

ἔργῳ δὲ ὁρᾶν,

SOKRATES: the deed-work-act was done(to-by-for)little-old-me.

and why cant they just be happy for a feast?

ADEIMANTOS: as many(men)as(are)starting-out(setting-

in-motion, spurring-on, cheering-on, beginning, rushing-headlong)

at philosophy(wisdom-love), (are)not fastening(himselves to it,

not binding himselves, cleaving himselves, to it)(not laying-hold-

of it, seizing it, clasping it, for himself to be clasped, seized, laid-

hold-of, catching-fire by it), (and not)on account of(for the sake

of)(it, being)educated(brought-up, reared, trained, taught,

nurtured, corrected, disciplined,

as a child),

ὅσοι ἂν ἐπὶ φιλοσοφίαν ὁρμήσαντες μὴ τοῦ πεπαιδεῦσθαι ἕνεκα ἁψάμενοι

SOKRATES: so have we been held (to-by-for) man-childs?

ADEIMANTOS: (we)being young(he would swim, he would spin,

he would pile up in heaps, he)would(wish to)be set free(delivered-

from, released, escaped, acquitted, removed, departed-from),

νέοι ὄντες (487δ) ἀπαλλάττωνται,

SOKRATES: my prison cell,

ADEIMANTOS: but still(they would)spend time(in it)longer,

ἀλλὰ μακρότερον ἐνδιατρίψωσιν,

SOKRATES: conversation,

ADEIMANTOS: even(indeed)and most becoming wholly otherly(

unusual, strange, portentous, utterly different, queer),

τοὺς μὲν πλείστους καὶ πάνυ ἀλλοκότους γιγνομένους,

SOKRATES: elephants-in-elephants, teachings of trees,

to-by-for the beach dog — rawrr — so cuddly,

ADEIMANTOS: so that(we)wouldnt say thoroughly depraved,

ἵνα μὴ παμπονήρους εἴπωμεν,

SOKRATES: we would say well-born,

ADEIMANTOS: but the(ones)seeming(to be)(furnishing

with rafters)(the)most fitting(meet-suitable)likewise(

are)suffering this, at least, by(from-under)the pursuit(

business-custom)which you praise(approve, commend),

τοὺς δ᾽ ἐπιεικεστάτους δοκοῦντας ὅμως τοῦτό γε

ὑπὸ τοῦ ἐπιτηδεύματος οὗ σὺ ἐπαινεῖς πάσχοντας,

SOKRATES: slander, coercion, abuse,

a regular Kerberos, eh Herakles?

ADEIMANTOS: becoming useless(unprofitable, unserviceable)(to-

by-for)the cities,

ἀχρήστους ταῖς πόλεσι γιγνομένους.

SOKRATES: nevertheless becoming nobodies,

MEDEIS: )nevertheless, he at least, back again, in return, thrusted(

pushed)(forced-back)(stretching)(bending)(exerting)straining,

αὐτὰρ ὅ γ᾽ ἂψ ὤσασκε τιταινόμενος,

ADEIMANTOS: we-being ( completely ) me again,

SOKRATES: and(indeed we)i(being)hearing(you hear)

(of involuntarily-silent ones,

from one involuntarily-silent),

καὶ ἐγὼ ἀκούσας,

ADEIMANTOS: but we-being reborn your man,

SOKRATES: (do)you really suppose(forebode, presage, expect,

suspect)(he was alone)(he is alone)

(you are alone)

(be alone,

you),

οἴει οὖν,

ADEIMANTOS: maybe not, but how would we, we-being-seeing, know?

SOKRATES: (o saying)(we say)(they say)(say, you)(saying)(the word-song),

εἶπον,

ADEIMANTOS: but even a chatbot could copy that,

SOKRATES: (do you really suppose)the(men)saying these(things

to be)false(speaking-playing false, beguiled, cheated, mistaken)?

τοὺς ταῦτα λέγοντας ψεύδεσθαι;

ADEIMANTOS: no, but —

MEDEIS: but(against)through(you sweat)(youre drenched

with sweat, the)sweat(y sweaty sweat)(exuding sweat

from trees)(gum, resin)was gushing(flowing, running, streaming,

full-flow)(a leaking ship)(flux)(pouring)(to go slowly)

(to limp)(to go or come to harm)(to ruin)(perish,

disappear, lost)(clean gone),

κατὰ δ᾽ ἱδρὼς 600 ἔρρεεν

ADEIMANTOS: ( sighs into the sweat )

MEDEIS: out(of cups)of limbs(idle, useless, unhappy, miserable)

(in vain)(limbs, body-members)(from musical-members,

phrases, songs, strains)(from a nightingales)

(hims)(however many hymns),

ἐκ μελέων,

ADEIMANTOS: its a lot of hims ( but taking baby

steps ) what about these sailors?

SAILORS: (we)dont know, (we)(o swelling-puffiness-tumors)

(havent seen)(the swelling-puffiness-tumors),

οὐκ οἶδα,

ADEIMANTOS: but(we are)(or)(eh!)(truly)(beingly)he was saying(he was he),

ἦ δ᾽ ὅς,

SOKRATES: we-being not a tumor ( but maybe a Cancer ),

ADEIMANTOS: but still the opinion(thinking, imagining,

supposition, expectation, purpose, pretending, presaging,

seeming, self-seeming)(to-by-for)you,

ἀλλὰ τὸ σοὶ δοκοῦν

SOKRATES: he looks like three girls in sparkly-pink bathing-suits,

concealed inside a trenchcoat, the shape of a manly sailor,

with at least three fish tails poking out, and a false mustache,

but you wont find this golden tan on instagram,

ADEIMANTOS: (o expecting)(we were expecting)

(they were expecting)(the expecting),

δοκοῦν

SOKRATES: the sum and substance of western civ,

ADEIMANTOS: (o furnishing)(they were furnishing with rafters)

(we were furnishing with rafters)(to furnish with rafters)

(rafter-furnishing),

δοκοῦν

SOKRATES: make-find good stranger an un-dying friend,

ADEIMANTOS: (fancy)with pleasure,

ἡδέως

SOKRATES: a vegan brownie to share with you,

ADEIMANTOS: but still(how it)(in general)seems to you,

with pleasure(we)would hear,

ἀλλὰ τὸ σοὶ δοκοῦν ἡδέως ἂν ἀκούοιμι.

SOKRATES: it seems —

MEDEIS: but(o dust)(o sand)ashes(o pearl-ash, lye, soap-powder)

(quicklime)(plaster, stucco)(dusty)(it was plastering with stucco,

daubing over)(painting, disguising)(plaster over, you)

from the strength(might-power-master-victory)(the ten)

(of the she-head)had stirred-up(urged-on, called-forth, excited),

κονίη δ᾽ ἐκ κρατὸς ὀρώρει.

ADEIMANTOS: ( mouth full of ashes )

SOKRATES: you would hear, that(to-by-for)me, at least,

they(dyad-unconcealed)appear to speak(gather, recount)the(dyad-)truth

(he wanders, he roams, outcast, banished,

perplexed)(dyad-unconcealed),

ἀκούοις ἂν ὅτι ἔμοιγε φαίνονται τἀληθῆ λέγειν. (487ε)

ADEIMANTOS: ( vomits )

MEDEIS: but after(in the middle of)(o vomiting)(o vomited)(behind)him,

we perceived the body-strength(force, act of violence)

(they were constraining, forcing, pressing hard)(to force)

(we were driving, forcing-on)of Herakles(loadstone),

ADEIMANTOS: towards a plan ( but

was it his own ) ( and how? )

MEDEIS: the image(phantom, unsubstantial form, reflected-

off the mind, idea, likeness, constellation, the idol)(of Herakles),

τὸν δὲ μετ᾽ εἰσενόησα βίην Ἡρακληείην,

εἴδωλον:

ADEIMANTOS: ( maybe in ways ) not spoken out loud.

SAILORS: how(in what way, by any means, in any way, at all)(really)therefore,

πῶς οὖν,

ADEIMANTOS: (how)(was he saying)(what?)(he)was saying,

ἔφη,

SOKRATES: not spoken out loud?

ADEIMANTOS: (how, therefore, )does it have-and-hold-well

(viper-dyad)(to-by-for the viper)(youre-next-to, clinging-to,

following-closely, coming-next, being-had-and-held)

(sticky)(he was pouring)(to recount, to gather)to say,

εὖ ἔχει λέγειν

SOKRATES: (yelling) not spoken out loud!!!

ADEIMANTOS: (how does it have-and-hold-well to say)

that the(wicked)she-cities will not stop mistreating(spoiling,

afflicting, injuring, ruining, the)earlier(first),

(they were mistreating)(we were mistreating)(the earlier-

former)(you-shes were ranging-over)(ploughing-haunting)

(as the manly-many)(were ruining)

(the she-cities)

ὅτι οὐ πρότερον κακῶν παύσονται αἱ πόλεις,

SOKRATES: by him having-and-holding

them(the she-cities)as you-yourself

are had-and-held ( thats how ),

ADEIMANTOS: until in herselves(to-by-for herselves)

the(philosophers)wisdom-lovers

(he would love wisdom)(would begin, make a beginning of,

strike the first blow, govern, be leader of, command,

would)rule,

πρὶν ἂν ἐν αὐταῖς οἱ φιλόσοφοι ἄρξωσιν,

SOKRATES: so demonstrate(by you)(by my)(by it)

self-rule, she ruling them,

ADEIMANTOS: (those)whom useless(unprofitable, unserviceable)

(we were)agreeing(to-by-for)her(city)selves(we(to-be)are)?

οὓς ἀχρήστους ὁμολογοῦμεν αὐταῖς εἶναι;

SOKRATES: by the ship, and indeed,

let your-himself be used by we.

//

afternoon nap

ADEIMANTOS: so we-being agreed.

MEDEIS: but himself after(among)immortals

(he would make immortal)(they make immortal)

(to-by-for makings-immortal)(they run)(by running,

they shine, by shining, by gazing,

immortal)gods,

αὐτὸς δὲ μετ᾽ ἀθανάτοισι θεοῖσι

ADEIMANTOS: as in a dream, he-being-he,

MEDEIS: (he)enjoys(delights himself)in festivals,

abundance(feasts)(you will enjoy yourself

and make merry)and(indeed)(o viper-dyad)has-

and-holds(you have-and-hold-to)(he bears, carries,

brings)(you are brought)(he was pouring)(the viper-

dyad)(to-by-for the viper)beautiful-ankled Hebe(

of youth)(hes young again)(and they were fastened)

(we were bound)(engaged)(undertaken)(prosecuted

vigorously)(handled, touched, grasped, attained,

reached, come-up-to, overtaken, by affect)(they were)

(we are attaining, in the prime of life, fresh, vigorous)

(strength and vigor)(the body)(vine)(divine)(of youth),

τέρπεται ἐν θαλίῃς καὶ ἔχει καλλίσφυρον Ἥβην,

ADEIMANTOS: ( yawns and stretches ) the warmth

of my sweet afternoon nap

( me-being-he ),

MEDEIS: (the)(child, slave, servant)of great(mighty, big,

strong)Zeus(divine)and(indeed)of Hera(nine)gold-sandalled,

παῖδα Διὸς μεγάλοιο καὶ Ἥρης χρυσοπεδίλου.

ADEIMANTOS: ( his amazing aphrodisiac ) lingers

on my skin ( well it would ),

SOKRATES: you(would)(questioning, asking, begging)ask,

ἐρωτᾷς,

ADEIMANTOS: we would just lay our head in your lap,

SOKRATES: (but)(if)(they are, he is, we are, we say)(see,

there!)but(we)i(being),

ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ,

ADEIMANTOS: then yes please, tell me more about myself,

SOKRATES: (you would ask)a question(lacking, missing, binding-

tying, needing-of)(that which is asked), (of a decision-

separating)reply(answer, excretion, secretion, exhalation,

defence, response, embassy, commission, a kind of dance

)speaking(gathering-recounting)through

(a)likeness(image-semblance-similitude),

ἐρώτημα δεόμενον (ἀποκρίσεως δι᾽ εἰκόνος λεγομένης).

ADEIMANTOS: okay then, would we entrust the city to such as these —

MEDEIS: but around him(the)cry(he was baying)(howl, you)

(reverberating twang)(scream)(grunting)(hissing)(screeching)

of the dead(corpses)(spirits)(if)(they are)(he is)(we are)

(we say)(see, there!)were as birds of prey(omens),

605 ἀμφὶ δέ μιν κλαγγὴ νεκύων ἦν οἰωνῶν ὥς,

ADEIMANTOS: of me-being,

MEDEIS: wholly-fear-bewildered.

πάντοσ᾽ ἀτυζομένων:

ADEIMANTOS: ( its terrifying here ) we dive under blankets

to feel that warmth ( that heat ),

SAILORS: but you at least,

σὺ δέ γε,

SOKRATES: as cool as cool could be,

SAILORS: (he)was saying(asserting),

ἔφη,

SOKRATES: as we-harmonic grow, (to-by-for)me, the trees,

ADEIMANTOS: (o song-ways)(we)dont suppose(expect,

presage, forebode)(they would swoop)(they pounce-

upon)(you, at least)(would be swooped-upon)(to-by-for the way

of song)(you, at least)have-been-accustomed to speak

(recount-gather)through images(likenesses-

semblances-similitudes),

οἶμαι οὐκ εἴωθας δι᾽ εἰκόνων λέγειν.

SOKRATES: having-been-accustomed, self-concealing, (by-for-to)we,

MEDEIS: but he, seeming(seemly)like murky(dark-black)night,

ὁ δ᾽ ἐρεμνῇ νυκτὶ ἐοικώς,

ADEIMANTOS: ( not spoken ) plasters myself on me ( like dust ),

MEDEIS: having-holding(his)naked(exposed)(rain)bow

and(indeed)having-holding(bearing-carrying-bringing)

(they were throwing and heaping)(we were throwing

and heaping-up)(an)arrow on the strings,

γυμνὸν τόξον ἔχων καὶ ἐπὶ νευρῆφιν ὀιστόν,

ADEIMANTOS: ( and ashes ) to maximize

the area where skin touches skin ( out loud ),

MEDEIS: (was)peering-about(looking-about

with sharp, searching glances)(wistfully)(seeming-

like)deinos(round-mystical-vessels)(terribly-

awful-horror-marvellously-strong-

wondrous-and-clever),

δεινὸν παπταίνων,

ADEIMANTOS: ( tied to the mast ) and we

dont want to get up ( master that nap ),

MEDEIS: seeming always like(as fitting, seemly, meet)

he will(would)be(like they will strike)throwing(

casting, hurling, striking, shooting, falling, letting

fall)(like they will fall, they will let fall),

αἰεὶ βαλέοντι ἐοικώς.

ADEIMANTOS: but they dont let fall ( until

theyre ripe ) and then

maybe they will —

//

from hymn to Apollo

Republic I, VI

Odyssey 11.613-626