ADEIMANTOS: by her nature, she has-and-holds

his proper punishment, a feast; by him, 

its to be no slight feat of eating-out.

( did he fix it ? peering-about

with blurry glances )

SOKRATES: but hear, you,

ἄκουε δ᾽

ADEIMANTOS: ( . . . )

SOKRATES: ( but he was hearing )

ἄκουε δ᾽

ADEIMANTOS: ( hearing what? )

SOKRATES: but hear, you(he was hearing)therefore,

the image(likeness, picture, statue, reflection

in the mirror, boo!, representation, semblance,

phantom, imaginary form-shape,

similitude, comparison),

ἄκουε δ᾽ οὖν τῆς εἰκόνος,

ADEIMANTOS: but anyways, always

( there are multiple things ) we hear,

SOKRATES: hear, you, the image,

so that(in that place)yet more

(the flock of wool, the lock of hair),

ἄκουε δ᾽ οὖν τῆς εἰκόνος, ἵν᾽ ἔτι μᾶλλον

ADEIMANTOS: baaa, sheep go,

and cows go moo, in this

place here, and blink

like this ( cow-eyes )

SOKRATES: so that yet more(in that place)

(by timber-trees)(by sheen of metals,

gold, silver, bronze),

ἵν᾽ ἔτι μᾶλλον ἴδῃς

ADEIMANTOS: in this place here,

by many strings, the play things

of your pretty little lyres,

SOKRATES: hear, you, the image, so that you

would yet more see(and, having-seen,

would know),

ἄκουε δ᾽ οὖν τῆς εἰκόνος, ἵν᾽ ἔτι μᾶλλον ἴδῃς

ADEIMANTOS: knowing by a lie? er,

( happening simultaneously )

not we, no no,

SOKRATES: how sticky(glutinous, clammy, close-

sticking, greedy-grasping, tough-importunate-

clinging, penurious-niggardly, mean-shabby, scantily,

and yet carefully, with elaborate-detail)

(we)make-likeness-images.

ἄκουε δ᾽ οὖν τῆς εἰκόνος, ἵν᾽ ἔτι μᾶλλον ἴδῃς ὡς γλίσχρως εἰκάζω. 

ADEIMANTOS: does anyone have acetone?

somethings stuck to me like superglue.

SOKRATES: for so hard(difficult-hard-harsh, painful,

grievous, like an ill-fitting cuirass, irksome, rugged,

cruel, stern, dangerous and troublesome),

ADEIMANTOS: ( is ) ( his poetry ) but still

its ( not cause and effect ) inherently,

SOKRATES: the pathos(that-which-happens-to

a person or a thing, their experiences, misfortunes,

calamities, emotions, sufferings, undergoings, passions,

states and conditions, incidents, properties

and qualities)(o pathology of pathos),

ADEIMANTOS: ( not really ) ( of ) and yet ( accustoms-to ),

SOKRATES: the most-fitting-meet-suitable(reasonable-

specious, tolerable, fair-equitable, but not according to

the letter of the law, able, capable, upper-educated,

fairly-tolerably-moderately, most-fitting)(ones),

οὕτω γὰρ χαλεπὸν τὸ πάθος τῶν ἐπιεικεστάτων,

ADEIMANTOS: and exercizes their twisting nature,

SOKRATES: (and)he(they)have(the passion)suffered,

ADEIMANTOS: ( he + he =/= we,

he adjusts my grammar to say,

it pops like spinal cavitation )

SOKRATES: in-relation-to(towards, upon, against,

touching, over-and-above, in-reply-to, in-consequence-

of, in-proportion or in-respect-of, in-comparison-with,

between, according-to, in-view-of, under-compulsion-

of, in-spite-of, before)

the(she)cities,

(they were going about, ranging over, haunting, revolving,

ploughing, turning-up)(the she-cities),

ὃ πρὸς τὰς πόλεις πεπόνθασιν,

ADEIMANTOS: that not self-sung ( but intertwined ) the him in me,

SOKRATES: that not even(are)is(we)one-we,

( but one = one-we? )

ὥστε οὐδ᾽ ἔστιν ἓν

ADEIMANTOS: nor is her-we too ( entangled ) with his-me

( his special snowflake son ),

SOKRATES: nor(is there an)other suffering of this sort,

οὐδὲν ἄλλο τοιοῦτον πεπονθός,

ADEIMANTOS: but still, he-being ( woven and blurring together ) in me,

SOKRATES: but still, it(-he stands-in-need-of)(you stand-

in-need-of)(stand-in-need-of, you!)(bind, you!)(you bind)

(he binds)(to-by-for Zeus)(it)s necessary,

ADEIMANTOS: to separate himself from myself,

SOKRATES: from many representations(o representings,

image-likenings, portrayings, comparings, describings,

resemblings, conjecture-formings),

ADEIMANTOS: the manly-many ( and whenever

we pull the thread ) its hims-in-me,

SOKRATES: to(lead-fetch)bring-by-gathering(him)self-together,

ἀλλὰ δεῖ ἐκ πολλῶν αὐτὸ συναγαγεῖν εἰκάζοντα

ADEIMANTOS: by psycho-mimetic ( to try

and gently untangle ) chiasmorganic( ! )geometry,

or a subtle spiders sticky silken thread,

SOKRATES: and(indeed)defense-speaking(making-

doing-apologia)over(in-defense-of)(her-

and him- and it)selves(too),

καὶ ἀπολογούμενον ὑπὲρ αὐτῶν,

ADEIMANTOS: and indeed, defending this-she ( we find

another knot ) made by ( a god? a poet? ) you?

SOKRATES: such as those writers(o writers, o painters,

o scribes, scriveners, copyists)(you are scratched-grazed

)(of writings, paintings, drawings, delineations, outlines,

embroidery, letters, documents, books, laws,

statements, contracts, catalogues, lists, inscriptions,

writings, such as, of)goat-stags,

(a tragelaphos, from tragos + elaphos, fantastical animal,

and drinking-cups upon-which they were scratched, and

whosits and whatsisnames, which later would name

real animals, a wild goat or an antelope,

but how would he know that?),

οἷον οἱ γραφῆς τραγελάφους

ADEIMANTOS: its like he glued himself

( and another ) ( me )

onto the cutest semi-feral cat

( Sri Rejeki, that u? ),

SOKRATES: and(indeed, the mixings-joinings)(they scratch

and graze)(they would be scratched and grazed)

(to-)by(-for)(the ones)writing(scratching, grazing)

(marking)(representing)(drawing)(painting)(description),

(they write)(they would be written)those

(o she-dyads)of-this-sort,

καὶ τὰ τοιαῦτα μειγνύντες γράφουσιν.

ADEIMANTOS: self-scratching ( endlessly )

( and self-sticking, pink like bubblegum,

and self-stretching too ) ( hmm ) ( ooh )

into the nature of his so-called self.

//

from Republic VI