Dialogue

    Phaedrus: truly (alethes) the strongest way for me, by far, is to speak however I am able; as you seem to me someone who will in no way let me go, until I say something or other

    Socrates: since i seem entirely true (alethes) to you

    Phaedrus: therefore, so shall i do (poie-o). and really, O Socrates, it’s mostly that i haven’t thoroughly learned the sayings (rhema); but actually the thought (dianoia), of nearly all the ways he asserted that the lover (era-o) differs from the non-; I shall go through the chief points of each in order, beginning from the first—

    Socrates: if you would first disclose, O friend (philotes), what it is you have (echo / echis) in the left hand (aristeros) under your cloak. for i guess that you are holding the speech (logos) itself; and if this is so, then think (dianoe-o) about me in this way— that while i love (phile-o) you completely, if Lysias too is present, it hasn’t seemed completely right to supply myself for you to practice on (emmeleta-o); but come on, show it! (deiknumi)

    Phaedrus: stop! (pau-o) you’ve beaten me back (ekkrou-o) from my hope, O Socrates, that i would get to exercise on you; but where do you wish us to sit down and read? (anagignosko)

    Socrates: turning aside there, let’s go along the Illissus; and then we’ll sit down wherever it seems (doke-o) to be in a stillness (hesuchia)

    Phaedrus: good timing (kairos), it seems, that i happen to be barefoot; of course, you are always; so it’s easy for us to go down the little river getting our feet wet, and not unpleasant, especially at this season of the year and hour of the day

    Socrates: go ahead then and look for anyplace we might sit

    Phaedrus: then do you see that lofty platanus tree?

    Socrates: well, what?

    Phaedrus: there is shade there and a measured breeze (pneuma), and grass to sit on, or if we wish to lie down

    Socrates: if you would lead

    Phaedrus: tell me, O Socrates, isn’t it from someplace here by the Ilisus, it’s said that Boreas carried off Oreithyia?

    Socrates: so it’s said

    Phaedrus: isn’t it from this place? anyway the waters appear graceful and clear and transparent and made (epitedeios) for girls to play (paizein) beside it

    Socrates: no, but some two or three stades down, where we cross over toward the one in Agra; and somewhere around there in that spot is an altar of Boreas

    Phaedrus: i’ve never really thought about it; (noein) but tell me by Zeus, O Socrates, are you persuaded that this myth-speech (mythologema) is true?

    // 228ξ to 229ξ

    Phaedrus: (cont.) but tell me by Zeus, O Socrates, are you persuaded that this myth-speech (mythologema) is true?

    // 229ξ

    ἀλλ᾽ εἰπὲ πρὸς Διός, ὦ Σώκρατες, σὺ τοῦτο τὸ μυθολόγημα πείθῃ ἀληθὲς εἶναι;

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    Phaedrus: i’ve never really thought about it; (noein)

    // 229ξ

    οὐ πάνυ νενόηκα:

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    Socrates: no, but some two or three stades down, where we cross over toward the one in Agra; and somewhere around there in that spot is an altar of Boreas

    // 229ξ

    οὔκ, ἀλλὰ κάτωθεν ὅσον δύ᾽ ἢ τρία στάδια, ᾗ πρὸς τὸ ἐν Ἄγρας διαβαίνομεν: καὶ πού τίς ἐστι βωμὸς αὐτόθι Βορέου

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    Agra (the word means both “the hunt” and “the prey”) probably names the place of a temple to Artemis Agrotera (the Huntress) on the Illisus river.

    //

    Phaedrus: (cont.) anyway the waters appear graceful and clear and transparent and made (epitedeios) for maidens to play (paizein) beside it

    // 229β

    χαρίεντα γοῦν καὶ καθαρὰ καὶ διαφανῆ τὰ ὑδάτια φαίνεται καὶ ἐπιτήδεια κόραις παίζειν παρ᾽ αὐτά

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    Phaedrus: isn’t it from this place?

    // 229β

    ἆρ᾽ οὖν ἐνθένδε;

    //

    Socrates: so it is said

    // 229β

    λέγεται γάρ

    //

    Phaedrus: tell me, O Socrates, isn’t it from someplace here by the Ilisus, it’s said that Boreas carried off Oreithyia?

    // 229β

    εἰπέ μοι, ὦ Σώκρατες, οὐκ ἐνθένδε μέντοι ποθὲν ἀπὸ τοῦ Ἰλισοῦ λέγεται ὁ Βορέας τὴν Ὠρείθυιαν ἁρπάσαι;

    //

    Boreas is the god of the cold north wind, storms, and winter; known for his abduction and rape of the Athenian princess Oreithyia.

    Socrates: if you would lead

    // 229β

    προάγοις ἄν

    //

    Phaedrus: there is shade there and a measured breeze (pneuma), and grass to sit on, or if we wish to lie down

    // 229β

    ἐκεῖ σκιά τ᾽ ἐστὶν καὶ πνεῦμα μέτριον, καὶ πόα καθίζεσθαι ἢ ἂν βουλώμεθα κατακλινῆναι

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    Socrates: well, what?

    // 229a

    τί μήν;

    Phaedrus: then do you see that lofty Platanus tree?

    // 229a

    ὁρᾷς οὖν ἐκείνην τὴν ὑψηλοτάτην πλάτανον;

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    Platanus orientalis, known for its longevity and spreading crown; whose name is similar to that of the poet.

    Socrates: go ahead then and look for anyplace we might sit

    // 229a

    πρόαγε δή καὶ σκόπει ἅμα ὅπου καθιζησόμεθα

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    Phaedrus: (cont.) especially at this season of the year and hour of the day

    // 229a

    ἄλλως τε καὶ τήνδε τὴν ὥραν τοῦ ἔτους τε καὶ τῆς ἡμέρας

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    Phaedrus: (cont.) and not unpleasant

    // 229a

    καὶ οὐκ ἀηδές

    //

    Phaedrus: (cont.) so it’s easy for us to go down the little river getting our feet wet

    // 229a

    ῥᾷστον οὖν ἡμῖν κατὰ τὸ ὑδάτιον βρέχουσι τοὺς πόδας ἰέναι

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    Phaedrus: good timing (kairos), it seems, that i happen to be barefoot; of course, you are always

    // 229a

    εἰς καιρόν, ὡς ἔοικεν, ἀνυπόδητος ὢν ἔτυχον: σὺ μὲν γὰρ δὴ ἀεί

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    Socrates: turning aside there, let’s go along the Ilissus; and then we’ll sit down wherever it seems (doke-o) to be in a stillness (hesuchia).

    // 229a

    δεῦρ᾽ ἐκτραπόμενοι κατὰ τὸν Ἰλισὸν ἴωμεν, εἶτα ὅπου ἂν δόξῃ ἐν ἡσυχίᾳ καθιζησόμεθα

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    Phaedrus: (cont.) but where do you wish us to sit down and read? (anagignosko)

    // 228ε

    ἀλλὰ ποῦ δὴ βούλει καθιζόμενοι ἀναγνῶμεν;

    //

    Phaedrus: (cont.) you’ve beaten me back (ekkrou-o) from my hope, O Socrates, that i would get to exercise (eggymnaz-o) on you

    // 228ε

    ἐκκέκρουκάς με ἐλπίδος, ὦ Σώκρατες, ἣν εἶχον ἐν σοὶ ὡς ἐγγυμνασόμενος

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