( beyond the frame + wrong direction + unfin + good at math )

ADEIMANTOS: O beloved Sokrates, remind me again.

what was my purpose?

SOKRATES: her-remembrance,

μνήμη:

ADEIMANTOS: for whom ( we brace myself ),

SOKRATES: and( indeed )of your laying( self )hold,

καὶ σοῦ ἐπιλαβομένου

ADEIMANTOS: she for whom ( we travel

in the wrong direction ) from myself,

as if we could insist

SOKRATES: that( even the )all( o all )will be( forced )

compelled to agree-with( same-saying )

( to-by-for )( that )which( we )were saying,

ὅτι πᾶς μὲν ἀναγκασθήσεται (490δ) ὁμολογεῖν οἷς λέγομεν,

ADEIMANTOS: but ( the distance between us greater ) grows

when we harden ( for the question

that never comes ),

SOKRATES: but( when )letting-be( suffering, permitting,

giving-up, letting-alone, letting-lie, and letting-go )

( you let-go )( o he-letting-go )( her-letting-go )the words

( speeches-accounts-reckonings-relations-correspondences-

proportions-explanations-arguments-thinkings-reasonings-

reflections-narratives-rumors-discussions-debates-

deliberations-dialogues-utterances-oracles-

assertions-expressions-grounds ),

ἐάσας δὲ τοὺς λόγους,

ADEIMANTOS: we put my finger in the cup

( and find out the answer )

regardless of my will

( yet we feel closer to you )

yet closer to whom?

SOKRATES: ( o )looking-steadfastly( paying-attention )

( look-steadfastly, you, in- )to the( him )selves

around( about )the( one-he )logos( speech-account-relation )of them,

εἰς αὐτοὺς ἀποβλέψας περὶ ὧν ὁ λόγος,

ADEIMANTOS: and unsure which self would be him,

what if ( we are shaped like a question )

and we would supply familiar features

( in this place of unfamiliar faces )

for him to recognize himself?

SOKRATES: ( he )would say( the grey would affirm )

to see of selves( on the one hand )

the useless( unprofitable, unservicable )( ones),

φαίη ὁρᾶν αὐτῶν τοὺς μὲν ἀχρήστους,

ADEIMANTOS: and what a time wed have

in contemplation of our uselessness.

but ( what if we want your mind )

do we mean my mind or whose?

( where we can be anyone )

and even hims of sundry use?

SOKRATES: but( on the other hand )( to see if )

the many evil( bad-uglies )

( would be )( she )whole-evil( bad-ugly-shame ),

( they sprinkle )( o sprinkling )( barley-groats

on medicinal wine )( the sprinkling )( the sprinklings ),

τοὺς δὲ πολλοὺς κακοὺς πᾶσαν κακίαν,

ADEIMANTOS: and ( wandering ) around my dreams,

my imagination, my day-to-day,

we might put ( sprinkles! )

on ( anything ) thats thrown-across

or -through ( dia - ballein ),

SOKRATES: ( we, o )looking-upon( inspecting, observing,

carefully, taking-care, visiting, like visiting the sick,

considering, reflecting, meditating on )the cause

( of )the slander( thrown-through )( false-accusation-

prejudice-against ),

upon this( he-it )now( we have become )been born,

τῆς διαβολῆς τὴν αἰτίαν ἐπισκοποῦντες ἐπὶ τούτῳ νῦν γεγόναμεν,

ADEIMANTOS: upon . . . this-which ? o,

this one ( he-it ) who comes and goes

( here on my bare thighs ) ( guilty as charged )

leaving butterfly ( pòò ) like

love letters to the nectarine,

SOKRATES: ( who, which, what )why

( o drinkers, o longing ones, o yearning ones,

are you flying hither-thither,

o wine-tasting-drinking )( would be )

the many( o the many )bads

( evils-uglies-sicknesses-shames ) ( ? )

τί ποθ᾽ οἱ πολλοὶ κακοί,

ADEIMANTOS: maybe when we come and go

to that place ( where your hands cant be )

( and take a sip ) and leave a sign

thats when ( we feel closer to you ),

and closer to her whom we remember,

SOKRATES: and( indeed )on account of this —

( o dyad-god )( it was binding )( bind, you )

( god-needed-bound )( it was in-need )( need, you )

( the dyad-god )( indeed )must( be ) —

back again weve taken-up the nature( growth-origin )

of the truly( unconcealedly )wisdom-lovers,

καὶ τούτου δὴ ἕνεκα πάλιν ἀνειλήφαμεν

τὴν τῶν ἀληθῶς φιλοσόφων φύσιν

ADEIMANTOS: like the butterfly men,

those ( hes ) who come and go to such as these,

and drinking nectar where my feet cant go.

and ( what if we want your mind ) also

( as the mind of me or any he ) wandering

around the outermost-edges, where experience

and even ( words escape me ),

SOKRATES: and( indeed )we defined( a boundary,

determining and laying out, our horizon )out-of necessity,

καὶ ἐξ ἀνάγκης ὡρισάμεθα.(490ε)

HERA: hear( of )me now, o Earths( Gaia )

and( indeed )the Sky( Ouranos )broad-from-above,

and o Titan gods, dwelling( to-by-for )you under-

earth( chthon ), around mighty Tartaros,

out-of-whom( be )men and gods,

κέκλυτε νῦν μευ, Γαῖα καὶ Οὐρανὸς εὐρὺς ὕπερθεν

Τιτῆνές τε θεοί, τοὶ ὑπὸ χθονὶ ναιετάοντες

Τάρταρον ἀμφὶ μέγαν, τῶν ἒξ ἄνδρες τε θεοί τε:

SAILORS: ( we )is( are ) ( ! )

ἔστιν,

SOKRATES: so we hypothesize our whole.

( but we cant escape sleep ) together,

which leaves me ( wondering ) about you,

SAILORS: he was saying,

ἔφη,

SOKRATES: but knowing that neither do we know

( what the palm of your hand ) would have-and-hold,

for whom ( these lines will remain ) as parts,

SAILORS: these(shes),

ταῦτα.

SOKRATES: nor do we know what you ( will find

beyond the frame ) of my lived experience,

thats why these-shes we make would be

un-we ( unfin ) until finished by her-yous,

HERA: ( o )all selves, now hear me, and( indeed )give

( of me a )child

apart( away, aloof )from Zeus,

αὐτοὶ νῦν μευ πάντες ἀκούσατε καὶ δότε παῖδα

νόσφι Διός,

SOKRATES: of this-she

( o dyad-god )( she was binding)( bind, you )

( god-needed-bound )( she was in-need )

( need, you )( the dyad-god )( indeed )must( be ),

ταύτης δή,

ADEIMANTOS: fully dyadic ( goddess ) poetry . . .

( using the golden calculator we become )

the calculator we turn me into?

( we calculate probabilities ) and then . . .

would ( we brace myself ) around

open meadows of indeterminacy?

SOKRATES: but( if )( they are )( he is )

( we are )saying( we )ego( being ),

ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ,

ADEIMANTOS: we being free to grow and move

until ( possibilities whirlpool in my head )

as her primordial stew of productivity . . .

but would that mean ( the question never comes ),

SOKRATES: of the( she-nature )( growth-birth-

origin-form-character-substance-dyad )

( it was binding )( it was needful )

( need, you )( bind, you )

must be,

to observe( behold, gaze-at, contemplate )

the destructions( ruins, passings-away, deaths,

corruptions )( of )the( she )nature,

τῆς φύσεως δεῖ θεάσασθαι τὰς φθοράς,

ADEIMANTOS: so not as question, but as necessity . . .

on the one hand ( we answer it anyway ),

as witness to his scatological remains,

as dipped fingers in my pudding cup ( amen ),

risking but slight redness to my dainty skin,

as follies, soap operas, unicorn-porn, born

with ( sprinkles! ) blizzarded-in from you and you,

like cookies starry night with richest cream,

to tempt and tame the little butterbeasts

until the airs astir with fluttering wings,

in-palms-holding his heartbeats memory,

perchance, before releasing me unto herself —

o glorious pollination! or on the other hand,

where re-enactment might make her unsafe,

( we list characteristics ) as for cased specimens:

the Papilionidae, Pieridae, Nymphalidae,

Lycaenidae, Hesperiidae of her corruptions.

and every butterfly would be a mask —

our temple-dwelling her sanctuary inviolable.

//

from hymn to Apollo

Odyssey XI.613-626

Republic VI

beyond the frame

wrong direction

unfin

good at math