Fish
VIII.xxiv. ( we wont ) rot ( unless ) we forget ( its his pòò ) in the well
ADEIMANTOS: O sailors of our craft, O Polly-tay,
how blows the wind on this, her holly-day?
SAILORS: who( which-all? )( what-all? )( -all? ), then,
( o somebodys )( o anybodys )( o many anyones )
( do you pay the price? )( do you pay-off your debt? )
( she-dyad-god )( was she binding )( bind, you )( god-
needed-bound )( was she in-need )( need, you )
( she-dyad-god )( indeed )must( be ) ?
τίνες δή;
ADEIMANTOS: aaah . . . she holds so much uncertainty,
but still its me, o yet-un-answered-we !
and how exhilaration bellows off the sea !
these breezes high indeed, and so far-flung
from smog of city men, she saves our lung.
but ( the air is thick with the smell of rot )
below, within our private pilots cell.
for she without be she within as well,
and ( weve been burning dupa ) given me
as gifts from islanders who welcome guests.
for there be no more pious men than what
some unreal men call swarthy savages,
gave scent helps me-ears mingling mightly.
whereby ( we hear ) shes ( clinging on tightly )
to what, an ear, an oar, the yard-arm or
the mast, broke be that merry beam no more,
no scrub for me, no scrub for her, sailors
supplied to do all dirtier chores,
let me, let be, relax, o soothing sea.. ( . . . Enya )
. . ( ..and then we talk )-( with her and really listening )-( better ),
HERA: but still( he )who, at least,
braver( stronger-mightier-better ) — be(
we )as much as far-sounding( euru-opa )Zeus( would be
braver )( mightier )( stronger )( better )( than )Kronos,
ἀλλ᾽ ὅ γε φέρτερος ἔστω, ὅσον Κρόνου εὐρύοπα Ζεύς.
SOKRATES: which( even-indeed, o )most wonderful
( marvellous, extraordinary )of all to hear,
ὃ μὲν πάντων θαυμαστότατον ἀκοῦσαι,
ADEIMANTOS: lets fare-thee-well, O best goddess !
at least as much as Euru-dike would-( we
)-be braver than Euru-opa? what crazy ratios.
but would that she ( who made herself in me ) meet herself ( in we ) !
our promise as our payment, dear divine,
( and everything Achilles would to pine ),
yet smouldering ( of leaves ) leaves air unclear.
( the what ifs and the buts ) begin to appear
soon as our flourish in pink ( -ink ) on papier,
SOKRATES: that in each of( those )which( we )praised
( approved, commended )( of )the( she- )nature
( growth-birth-origin )
( it )destroys( demolishes )( slays )( lays waste )( loses )
the( she- )having-holding-
( they cool )( we cool )( to be cool )( cooling )( of her )-soul
( life, spirit, ghost, source, self ),
ὅτι ἓν ἕκαστον ὧν ἐπῃνέσαμεν τῆς φύσεως ἀπόλλυσι τὴν ἔχουσαν ψυχὴν
ADEIMANTOS: and indeed to live in crucial-fiction, which ( witch ) brings
us to the ever-controversial ( mushrooms ).
first thing a mushroom ( we are ) many things.
it goes both ways, or three or four, parts-sing.
( we recommend those only grown on dung
or best discovered with a trusted pig. )
eat me, they seem to say, eat her, or you?
or you-know-who! or him? not mine to say.
and mushrooms come in different kinds, my kids,
( unsafe to say weve tried more than a few? )
they do a number on my surely-temple,
on whom, we wait for guidance from above
as sailors hit the decks, tripping-( and for
a moment )-if our sailors loose the ship —
SOKRATES: and( indeed, it )( would )tears- and drag( away-
from )( you )( would )( be tearing-away-
from )( she- )philosophy( wisdom-love ),
καὶ ἀποσπᾷ φιλοσοφίας.
ADEIMANTOS: as which, we call a mushroom bad-for-you ( poison ).
( but this has been a little prophecy )
( exteeeeeeeeeeeeeeended metaphor )
( a little pharmacy of written word )
( translating too all of the media that
the vast
numbers of men consume ) ( and possibly soul-
alter-
altar-ring technology ) ( which leaves a lot
of room ) ( we maybe beauty-calling scrolls )
but ( we flip? ) into this irony ( of anti-scroll
as these-shes grow the trippiest of blooms )
and how spores drift in the all-pink
( a soul put under things at her own risk )
( and men on-going tax her stretchiness )
( he-they his remedy or pharmakon for his )
( he-they his own doctor his own ills )
as ( the hopeful dreams ) gathering- and holding-in,
( and the things we refuse to say ) to my best friend,
( really? ) ( of course ) my best friend ( we-being ) second-self,
( easy for him to say ) ( just stole to-for-by Aristotle )
( we are true pirates, through it all )-( but shhh )
in letters like a daily vitamin,
in some ancient cloud of shroom, weird-stream,
( by our best-friend-ship )-( we forget to hate myself )
and so this mushroom got our horses out,
SOKRATES: but( we would )say( she- )manliness( courage ),
λέγω δὲ ἀνδρείαν,
ADEIMANTOS: ( and you pinch )-( the goblin that lives in my head )
not hard! ( but fit to chase it out of bed )
( then baits it with a bite ) of ( sprinkles! ) sweet medicine.
and possibly the goblin could turn cat
( or rat ) ( or dinosaur ) ( and it could bite me pretty bad )
( but we wont let go of the wanting ) and even
as we never did, even in ( my scare-
crone heart )-( born on fragrant spring mornings )
( in her salad days ) ( before the unrealpolitik )
( before bad wisdom ) yet salvaging the goods
( as drawing butterflies on whats discarded )
( to-by-for ) me and you ( becoming beautiful
and young again ) ( in-seeming poetics of )
SOKRATES: ( she-)moderation( sophrosune )( sound-
mindedness, prudence, discretion )
and( indeed )
( all things )which( she-dyad )( we )go through
all( which )( things )( his-so-called-all )( the she-dyad ),
σωφροσύνην καὶ πάντα ἃ διήλθομεν.
ADEIMANTOS: but we have some words on poems
haphazard heraldry ( even seeming innocuously )
when living words get put down as fixed form.
( they turn into the ache of yearning ) tossed
across however many continents,
with latitude and longitude intact,
but tissue burden highly over-stretched,
for ( the yearning ) never could yearning dispell
and such i( wheres the we? )s life, and such i( wheres the we? )s happiness,
all mans desire(s residuum ) ( keeps poisoning
the well of hope ) like all my cold hard pennies cast
for wishes
( swallowed fishes )
( empty stare )
HERAKLES: but Hermes sent( escorted-conducted )me,
and( look, you )gleaming-( glaukopis )-
eyed Athena( o Athens, o Politeia ),
Ἑρμείας δέ μ᾽ ἔπεμψεν ἰδὲ γλαυκῶπις Ἀθήνη.'
ADEIMANTOS: so circumnavigated metaphors,
but written as ourselves of messy words,
or forceful dreams, dreams of a force to reckon
with her eyesight even ( as intense as the nettles )
would we guard ( the dreaming ) until ( we earn his name ) ?
and even as we drink ( the water never fully clear ) ?
and as to navigation ( on some how-divided-line ) ?
whats some logos ( word-speech-ratio-account ) as set down
here, that would ( will ) keep us well on the way?
SAILORS: placeless( out-of-place, out-of-the-way, un-
wonted, extra-ordinary, strange,
para-doxical, ab-surd )
( a-topos ),
ἄτοπον,
SOKRATES: ( smiles primly and steeples his hands )
well even ( with their outstretched arms ) in love
( no matter how hard we keep trying ) him ( its purifying! )
( my nettle tea ) he wont ( we wont ) seize hold of me,
ADEIMANTOS: even( indeed )beautiful( her-we-being )
therefore( to-by-for )me,
καλὴ μὲν οὖν μοι
SAILORS: ( he )was saying,
ἔφη,
SOKRATES: and indeed they ( reach for me on my way home )
( theres always a drop somewhere ) ( or how do you live? )
but he wont ( we wont ) be poisoned by his hope ( or his despair ),
ADEIMANTOS: and( indeed )the( she- )guidance( pompe )
( conduct, escort, sending-home, sending-mission, she-procession )
( of )( the local customs )( of the chorus )( of the dances )
( on the open spaces )( epi-chorion )( on the chora )
would seem-seemly to( we-being )be,
καὶ ἡ τῶν ἐπιχωρίων πομπὴ ἔδοξεν εἶναι,
SAILORS: to hear,
ἀκοῦσαι. (491ξ)
SOKRATES: from the unsightly, he may feel fear.
however ( not quite touching ) his unseen ( she )heart,
he wont ( we wont ) look backwards at her shade.
ADEIMANTOS: not however( even-indeed-by-you )inferior
( o worse, weaker, less, fewer )( did she )appear( shining-
forth )to resemble( be conspicuously like, befit, beseem )
( she )whom the Thracians( o Thracians )( we )were sending, <3
οὐ μέντοι ἧττον ἐφαίνετο πρέπειν ἣν οἱ Θρᾷκες ἔπεμπον.
SOKRATES: just so, he holds my trust and confidence
no worse than they hold my written art;
( and then it spreads ) abroad our pharmakon.
ALL: ( and blowing in the wind for all to hear )
and then it spreads abroad our pharmakon !
ADEIMANTOS: ( . . . ) ( later in our private cell )
yet he left me with more questions than when ( whò? )
began. ( yet it had been the ) END ( of ) part VIII
( until ) ( . . . )
//
from hymn to Apollo
Republic I, VI, X
Odyssey. 11.613-626
VIII.x. ( from the ashes of this ) darling town ( a phoenix in ) fall colours
ADEIMANTOS: ( o Sokrates, why have you named
him fearless? ) ( and why wont he say more? )
( even if we ask ) ( poke ) hm-mm.
( he still wont speak ) ( his irony
grows thick as wool ) baaa ( but how
is this being unafraid? ) ( doesnt he know
they-we want to hear everything about him? )
SOKRATES: for( it does )nt have-and-hold( the )nature
( growth-origin )( of )the steersman( kubernetes )
( they-dyad were steering )
( to bind himself )( to be in-need )of the sailors,
to be ruled( dyad-spider-web )by( from-under him )self.
οὐ γὰρ ἔχει φύσιν κυβερνήτην
ναυτῶν δεῖσθαι ἄρχεσθαι ὑφ᾽ αὑτοῦ
ADEIMANTOS: ( thinks for a while ) ( o kubernetes )
night falls over the town in a blink ( o sprinkles! )
( what has-and-holds your nature, origin, growth? )
( where did you come from? ) ( would you show us? )
we would take you to the spot by the lake,
( okay, lets go ) ( and walk around it ) ( one way
and the other way ) ( but walking anytime we could )
( some days the high path on the ridge, some days
the low ) ( sun, rain, or snow ) ( she found a place
to listen to herself ) ( in him ) ( we-seeking-we )
( we were right there ) ( we were reflection ) ( we
were seasons ) ( light air and water ) ( burning
star ) ( so ) ( neither are we a city man ) ( strictly )
( nor are we a business person ) ( really? )
( cant be ) ( not here ),
SOKRATES: nor(for)the wise(skilled-clever ones)
to go(up to)the double-folding-she-doors
(you will thrust out-of-doors)
of the wealthy-rich(ones),
οὐδὲ τοὺς σοφοὺς ἐπὶ τὰς τῶν πλουσίων θύρας ἰέναι,
ADEIMANTOS: ( in the rebellious phases of my youth )
we inhale the cellar-like scent in the air,
( and we reflect upon the few important years )
( sprinkles! ) ( spent waiting for the metro line )
( or behind the gynmasium of a public school )
( and lets be near the nations capital )
( coming-and-going to the man-made-real )
( the weird, the wild, the human unpredictable )
( for company and fumes to strengthen breadth )
( by breath of fog ) ( where sky looks like a cave )
( and yes, we walk the razors edge of her )
where we used to sit smoking as a teenager,
( as if self-damage would make her invincible )
( after some boy had said her joy was hideous ),
SOKRATES: but still he( refining-subtlety-cleverly-inventing )this lied,
ADEIMANTOS: ( but still excuse me Sokrates,
we didnt tell you everything he said.
he also said she was an hysterical bitch ),
SOKRATES: but still he( refining-subtlety-cleverly-inventing )this lied,
ADEIMANTOS: ( and he called her a self-entitled brat ),
SOKRATES: but still he( refining-subtlety-cleverly-inventing )this lied,
ADEIMANTOS: ( and he called her profoundly selfish ),
SOKRATES: but still he( refining-subtlety-cleverly-inventing )this lied,
ADEIMANTOS: ( and he told her she had to change her work,
to be more like his work,
and his work ),
SOKRATES: but still he( refining-subtlety-cleverly-inventing )this lied,
ADEIMANTOS: ( and he said what she was doing was
the opposite of philosophy ),
SOKRATES: but still he( refining-subtlety-cleverly-inventing )this lied,
ADEIMANTOS: ( and he forced her to repeat out loud
that anything she would ever put on paper
would make even the most expensive paper,
the finest, most exquisite paper — worthless ),
SOKRATES: but still he( refining-subtlety-cleverly-inventing )this lied,
ADEIMANTOS: ( and he called her stupid
many times ),
SOKRATES: but still he( refining-subtlety-cleverly-inventing )this lied,
ADEIMANTOS: ( and she remembers every one
of their names, the men who said those things,
and one of them was her father ),
SOKRATES: but still he( refining-subtlety-cleverly-inventing )this lied,
ἀλλ᾽ ὁ τοῦτο κομψευσάμενος ἐψεύσατο,
ADEIMANTOS: ( but self-care would make her invisible )
( so we- ) shiver in layers too light ( -being a puffy coat ),
( we keep him warm and insulate her truth )
( but when he accidentally births her puffer fish . . . )
( then we were punished many times ) ( from many
angles ) ( and each one hurts ) ( this knucklehead )
( always sorry ) ( lol ) ( until thirty-five or so ) ( when we realize )
( the punishments are pulling him away from her )
( and thats our line ) ( thats when our voice says ) ( no )
( then ) hiding fom the world ( we try to save
what can be saved ) ( we really do ) ( before we leave
to find ourself whom we dont know ) ( and we
find love ) ( because we find another man
who does believe in her ) ( and loves her too )
( so go looking in every way you can )
( as pieces by her paradise make whole ),
SOKRATES: but the true( unconcealed )
has been brought-forth( by nature )
( they had been brought-forth )( to have brought-forth )
( it has flown, fled, flight )( to have escaped )
( the charge )( they had been in exile ),
τὸ δὲ ἀληθὲς πέφυκεν,
ADEIMANTOS: ( and dreams, as Hamlet shows, hold on to you )
( so ) the lake doesnt know summer ( we ) is ( being ) gone,
( but she refused ) ( then ) ( to let go ) ( lake-mirror-black )
( with lines and leash and bricks of living gold )
( it yanks a chain ) ( commands ) ( build me a temple )
( and somehow ) ( how? ) ( we still suspect its Theuth )
( as if the very shadow master called him home )
( how did it make us feel? ) ( afraid, of course )
( when your own heart is hounding you ) ( by force )
( we didnt rush? ) ( there was no need ) ( if true,
we couldnt slow the course of destiny )
and on the walk back to town ( we put it thus )
( what we would do in heaven ) ( with joy )
( why shouldnt we do it now? ) ( own victory )
( but music was our designated work ),
SOKRATES: whether wealthy or poor
( he would )produce by work( make, fabricate )
( he would labor and toil, strive, exert, construct )
( he would be weary, exhausted, fatigued )
( and he would suffer, perhaps be ill,
until his work was done ) ( until hed done
his work ) ( you too ) ( youd do your work )
( you would produce, make, fabricate, labor
and toil, strive, exert, construct ) ( you would
be weary, exhausted, fatigued ) ( and you
would suffer, perhaps be ill ) ( but work, until
youve done your work ),
ἐάντε πλούσιος ἐάντε πένης κάμνῃ,
ADEIMANTOS: ( where are the healers? you would ask )
( and ) we would show you ( the church or the hospital )
( at first, he wouldnt know ) ( but of course Asclepios )
( and either would take hold of you ) ( for a price )
( and ) it looks exactly the same ( from the outside )
( as it used to ) ( when we passed by here before )
( by the way, her diet was inspired by his brother-
called city of pigs ) ( from book II ) ( were fascinated
to translate that passage for ourselves . . . )
( as we make our own ) ( through these interiors )
( we-practicing care of death ),
SOKRATES: to be forced( constraint-necessity )
( o prison-chained )
to go( up to )the double-folding-she-doors
( you will thrust out-of-doors )( of )doctors-healers,
ἀναγκαῖον (489ξ) εἶναι ἐπὶ ἰατρῶν θύρας ἰέναι
ADEIMANTOS: ( and indeed ) ( if you happen to live near a mosque
and hear the prayer, that is what ear-openers
have sounded like for her ) ( she wouldnt be here
without Al-Fatiha ) ( and the Basmala
she has called the poets seed ) ( hard liquor )
( she-me is really Muslim ) ( this remains her path )
( because the word-song leads back through herself )
( we-being roots or branches of a tree ) ( of twin Mercies )
( of dyadic-Ophelia as the translation may be )
( and there are many Names by which we trans )
( she keeps Al-Lateef, from her husbands hand,
nearby her pillow, where she sleeps at night )
( whats in a name ) ( this one ) ( dreams opener )
( to be aware by what music we hear ) ( or whose )
( and anyway ) ( to take our time, we might pass by )
my favorite playground ( and play is how we learn )
( its where we watch the boys do monkeybars )
( its where we ) ( going on the swing ) ( swing high )
( swing low ) ( big sky ) ( sweet chariot ) ( blue way )
( to feel ) ( being-away ) ( from home ) ( my feelings )
( not in words yet ) but the trees do ( hum to me )
( so the tire-swing in the forest treats us best ),
SOKRATES: and( indeed for )all the( being-bound-
in-needing-of )to be ruled,
( to go )to( the double-folding-she-doors )
of he who is able( potentially )to rule
( to begin, to show, to be the first ),
καὶ πάντα τὸν ἄρχεσθαι δεόμενον ἐπὶ τὰς τοῦ ἄρχειν δυναμένου,
ADEIMANTOS: ( it was mostly safe to explore )
in my childhood neighborhood ( we-being alone )
( and following new sidewalks to the broken ones )
( we would walk along the older curving roads )
( discover paths through the adjacent woods )
( our summers growing thicker in the green )
( but ) soon enough theyll drop their fall colours
( and then well be crimson-burgundy again ) ( hotly! )
( as we wind our way along the creek ) ( we would
go wading in the silt ) ( and once, we measured
pollutants in the water for the science fair )
( discovering a biohazard ) ( won first place )
( another year we wrote computer code
to simulate three algorithmic modes
of evolution ) ( for that, the prize
was from the cia ) ( then failed
to rsvp for a tour of langley )
( we-being intelligence )
( woof! woof! )
SOKRATES: ( and )not( for )the ruler( o beginners-showing-first )
( of )the ones-being-ruled( all those coming after us )
to be bound-to and in need-of( the ones-coming-after )
( and )( to be )ruled( to begin, to show, to be the first ),
οὐ τὸν ἄρχοντα δεῖσθαι τῶν ἀρχομένων ἄρχεσθαι,
ADEIMANTOS: ( and if we dared to dream of )
the house we wanted to live in ( it would be safe
and quiet and calm and light ) ( with level floors )
( and high ceilings ) ( with room enough for thought )
( and an exceptionally cozy bed ) ( he
cant help himself ) ( he longs for fresh white linen )
( and enough blankets and pillows and throws )
( and baskets and drawers to fold and put things in )
( and hooks on certain walls for hanging clothes
or brooms or spoons or other kinds of tools )
( some other familiars artwork on the walls )
( and a woodstove for warm toes in the winter )
( despite the chill ) not even fully here yet
( assuming winter ) ( and slow-grown food
that tastes like loving care ) ( to keep us there ),
SOKRATES: if( there )would be any( furtherance,
advantage )help( o help )of him( or for him ),
( to-by-for )the( she- )truth( unconcealed ),
οὗ ἂν τῇ ἀληθείᾳ τι ὄφελος ᾖ.
ADEIMANTOS: ( but thats the house we wanted )
and the one next to it where no one does ( the chores )
( where no one wants to go up to the doors )
( but its ours too ) ( has been our house before )
( until Nobody does ) ( go up to the doors )
( and Nobody starts making us do chores )
( related to fake sailors ) ( and heres the truth )
( we cant predict what we will say or do )
( or what the response will be ) and the lake
will know ( this one is deadly dangerous )
( but look, Socrates, at what happened to you )
SOKRATES: but still, he wouldnt miss-the-mark
(and you wouldnt-wont miss),
(by likening-representing-comparing)
the now-ruling(rulers)(beginning-first)politicians
(political men),
to(for-by)the sailors(we)were just-now speaking(of),
ἀλλὰ τοὺς νῦν πολιτικοὺς ἄρχοντας ἀπεικάζων
οἷς ἄρτι ἐλέγομεν ναύταις
οὐχ ἁμαρτήσῃ,
ADEIMANTOS: ( we wanted never to go that way again )
( even if ) we would walk you along the route?
( where we would rather talk about the flowers )
( or the gang of wild turkeys crossing our path )
( or the barred owl calling from the trees )
( until ) we sink into my mattress ( and close my eyes )
( measuring my sighs by the cicadas )
( memories being our superpower )
( he out )
SOKRATES: and(indeed)the useless(unprofitable-
unserviceable ones)(so-spoken)by(from-under)these,
καὶ τοὺς ὑπὸ τούτων ἀχρήστους λεγομένους
ADEIMANTOS: ( so letswalk in ) to my old school ( at least,
one of them ) ( and there are many different schools )
( looking at random bulletins ) ( we calm my nerves )
( in a basement hallway ) ( until seminar gets out
and then the young come flooding in ) ( and then
somebody recognizes me ) ( its nighttime now )
( and cold ) ( and everyone is nicely dressed )
( or its the snowflakes on their eyelashes )
( and now we want a cigarette ) ( its toxic )
( cozy ) ( colonial brick-red ) ( and dangerous )
( but somehow we survived ) ( and yes, its true,
we didnt want to leave ) ( and yes, its true,
we needed to ) ( but later there will be a dance )
( it was indeed a party school ) ( o un-wasted
youth ) ( but there were many different schools )
( so that our pirate coat has many pockets
and bears the motif of democracy )
( ugly ) ( versatile ) ( pastiche ) and hope
its a portal ( indeed as Cheehaw Station
little man ),
SOKRATES: and( indeed )( ones being- )spoken( of
as )shop-talkers after heavenly-lofty( star-signs,
climate, weather-gossip )things
( to-for-by )( the )as-truly( unconcealedly )steersmen,
καὶ μετεωρολέσχας τοῖς ὡς ἀληθῶς κυβερνήταις.
HERA: who have( and hold the )broad sky( heavens ),
οἳ οὐρανὸν εὐρὺν ἔχουσι.
SAILORS: ( at the )most-straight( -upright-angles ),
ὀρθότατα,
SOKRATES: ( he would )
show every corner with a story attached
( to his capacity )
you know where we want to be
( as things come up ) ( naturally ),
SAILORS: (he)was saying,
ἔφη.
SOKRATES: ( you would have ) sweet-bitter ( memories )
and we would write our own ( shared )
( braided ) good ( memories around them ),
HERA: now(you), consider(ponder-bethink-purpose-plan-
contrive-observe-beware)(you were considering),
lest(to-for-by)you, we(would)back-again(hereafter)craft
(devise-contrive-wile-counsel-plan)(we would)(we will)
(squeeze-out the juice)(curdle the milk)(you,
squeezed and curdled)some-
thing evil(ugly-bad),
φράζεο νῦν μή τοί τι κακὸν μητίσομ᾽ ὀπίσσω.
ADEIMANTOS: ( and his are the voices questioning him )
( he doesnt ask to be or not to be ) comfy ( he he ),
( he asks ) ( what is this-he? ) ( who does his best for you )
( in whom you trust ) ( that we might get it right )
on the faded streets ( about specific names,
and dates, and details ) ( or we might get it wrong )
( but we will write things other men dont like )
( we write whom they would make impossible ),
SOKRATES: and therefore from these and( indeed )in these,
( its )not easy( for )the best pursuit to( have a )good
( well-seeming )reputation,
by( from-under )those pursuing( its dyad )opposites;
ἔκ τε τοίνυν τούτων καὶ ἐν τούτοις
οὐ ῥᾴδιον εὐδοκιμεῖν τὸ βέλτιστον ἐπιτήδευμα
ὑπὸ τῶν τἀναντία ἐπιτηδευόντων:
ADEIMANTOS: ( but there isnt much worth rescuing )
of this dying ( profession ), ( the gag that stole
the logos-word by which we do ) ( she says
they treat her like their garbage can ) ( until
he takes her back for you ) ( slowly at first )
( until he cleans her up, empties her out )
( and keeps her warm until shes young and blew
and beautiful again ) cuddly ( enacting she )
( who holds our end ) ( or what, Sokrates? ),
SOKRATES: but by( far )many( the )greatest
and( indeed )most-forceful( violent-strong )slander
( false-accusation-charges )come-to-be
( against )philosophy( wisdom-love ),
(489δ) πολὺ δὲ μεγίστη καὶ ἰσχυροτάτη διαβολὴ
γίγνεται φιλοσοφίᾳ
ADEIMANTOS: ( in the ashes of that ) darling town,
SOKRATES: through those claiming to pursue such things —
διὰ τοὺς τὰ τοιαῦτα φάσκοντας ἐπιτηδεύειν
ADEIMANTOS: as statecraft.
( but what they do, o Sokrates
he beauty-calls ) as endless war.
//
from hymn to Apollo
Republic VI
VIII.vi. spilling secrets ( how we wrestle )
ADEIMANTOS: because ( we love ) my daddy,
of course hes still together.
whole o whole,
he would be whole,
( we would be whole ) ( Hole ),
but he would be much better that way,
once she handled his translation,
SOKRATES: but(the)(standing-in-need-of)(binding-
fettering-tying)selves,
(to-by-for)the shipowner always himself,
(would be)pouring-crowding-around(himself)
(the standing-in-need-of)(binding-fettering-tying-himselves),
αὐτοὺς δὲ ( αὐτῷ ἀεὶ τῷ (488ξ) ναυκλήρῳ ) περικεχύσθαι δεομένους
ADEIMANTOS: and indeed, honey ( frowning
at an obsolete many ) judging by these,
( this we should keep to myself ) he draws
that kind of man ( not to mention all
the textbook ) ( textbooks )
( eyes blur ),
SOKRATES: and(indeed)all(are)making-and-doing
(poetries)so that the rudder would turn-over
(if you entrusted)(you will be left-to)(given-
up, yield)to-for-by-them,
καὶ πάντα ποιοῦντας ὅπως ἂν σφίσι τὸ πηδάλιον ἐπιτρέψῃ,
ADEIMANTOS: but she, at least, was already entrusted
( we think once ) to them, to be para-diced
on the big-bad wave-slicin sea-wolf,
( not good pirates ),
SOKRATES: but sometimes if( they )dont persuade
( to-by-for persuasion ),
ἐνίοτε δ᾽ ἂν μὴ πείθωσιν
ADEIMANTOS: at least dyad-( twice ),
then they stop being so dyad-nice,
( we-being more generous
we let you guess how many tries ),
SOKRATES: but still others(o others do)more,
(implicit flock of sheep)(implicit tress of hair),
ἀλλὰ ἄλλοι μᾶλλον,
ADEIMANTOS: and ( many times ) she paid that price
( unspeakable ) as a result of which
then-and-there ( we-being sides with
herself, refusing his delivery ),
SOKRATES: even killing the others or throwing(them)out of the ship,
τοὺς μὲν ἄλλους ἢ ἀποκτεινύντας ἢ ἐκβάλλοντας ἐκ τῆς νεώς,
ADEIMANTOS: but to save his Politeia formidable,
( the quiet hopes and ugly thoughts ),
its famously not a funny trip,
SOKRATES: but(they), binding-hand-and-foot
the well-becoming(well-begetting)shipowner,
(to-by-for)mandrake or strong-drink
(you sit among)(you would let-go)
or by some other(thing), (they)rule
the(temple-dwellings)(using)(experiencing)(oracle-
proclaimings)of(the)ship(to-by-for)being-in —
τὸν δὲ γενναῖον ναύκληρον μανδραγόρᾳ
ἢ μέθῃ ἤ τινι ἄλλῳ συμποδίσαντας
τῆς νεὼς ἄρχειν χρωμένους τοῖς ἐνοῦσι,
ADEIMANTOS: ( laughs ) did nobody realize
he was just bridling Heraclite? tois enousi,
to-by-for being-in( ships ), horses transparently,
( the rosy dreams and constant fears ) to-by-
for being-in ( the cleverest ) nous ( noose )
( ha ha ) whars me rum ( just kidding
about the noose ) ( says a rabbit
or a hare ),
SOKRATES: and(indeed)those, drinking and(indeed)feasting-
and-being-entertained(more),
ADEIMANTOS: true ( we-being ) pirates dont eat rabbits
or hares ( but we-being our own entertainment ),
SOKRATES: (they)sail the sea
as the(image)likeness(of)such as these,
καὶ πίνοντάς τε καὶ εὐωχουμένους πλεῖν ὡς τὸ εἰκὸς τοὺς τοιούτους,
ADEIMANTOS: ( we may be bunny pirates )
but those not-good pirates
( we keep spilling them )
that poetry-not( to-by-for )( we slip
the noose )-( the noose slips we ),
SOKRATES: but(those), praising-commending(nous)
toward(against)these,
πρὸς δὲ τούτοις ἐπαινοῦντας (488δ)
ADEIMANTOS: but clown-fish ( the secrets
that scare me ) in pretty glass bowls
just make me laugh, or fighting fish-( the maskmaker
likes those . . . but we can go swimming,
we can even breathe underwater,
true story. on Adventuress,
the first thing they-we did,
as women at the helm, yes really,
was share what superpower
each we-her would choose
and why ) ( well, this
being why ),
SOKRATES: and(indeed)even(beauty-)calling(things)ship-things
and(indeed kubernetikos)steering-skill
and(indeed)knowing(standing-upon)(claiming knowledge
of)things according(through the)sea,
ναυτικὸν μὲν καλοῦντας καὶ κυβερνητικὸν
καὶ ἐπιστάμενον τὰ κατὰ ναῦν,
ADEIMANTOS: well thats plain bonkers. isnt he?
how could a mortal man stand on the water?
but can he even ride a horse ( it takes that barely
to hear the sea ) let alone keep a chariot seat?
( and she doesnt spill me ) ( not yet at least )
( and youre still there ) ( so maybe we
such as ship-things could be . . . )
and this may be what jihad means
for he,
SOKRATES: (would)he(who be)terrible(fearful-danger-suffering-horror-
awe-illegal-terror-arbitrary-wondrous-marvellously-
strong-powerful-strange-clever-skillful-one),
would(he)gather-together(seize,
take with him, carry-off)?
ὃς ἂν συλλαμβάνειν δεινὸς ᾖ
ADEIMANTOS: as long as he has-and-holds,
as ( listening ) ( to we-being ) ( were ) his law,
( we keep our inner-making-out
of hors-oars-ears-orses,
secrets to the sea
like mermaid queens
with feisty tridents
like Durgas weapon
and with her tongue sticking out,
as the girls in Penestanan always carry her
for Ogoh-Ogoh ) ( its a festival
amazing to behold ),
SOKRATES: so that(they would)be first and rule
(they will rule)(by-will-being-ruling)or persuading
or constraining the shipowner,
ᾖ ὅπως ἄρξουσιν ἢ πείθοντες ἢ βιαζόμενοι τὸν ναύκληρον,
ADEIMANTOS: that sounds like a dangerous
man-being-( puts on reading glasses )-job.
but ( we-being ) ( not scared ) of him ( hes just
a plushie ) ( nur other daddy-men ) ( nar whale
she sophist be ) ( sea-walking daughter
of a dancer ) ( she-pirate ) indeed,
SOKRATES: but(those who are)not such as this,
(they are)blaming as useless(unprofitable,
unserviceable),
τὸν δὲ μὴ τοιοῦτον ψέγοντας ὡς ἄχρηστον,
ADEIMANTOS: and indeed ( we )i( being ) wonder.
whether those curs would blame the solid stance
of irony, to walk her proffered plank
( even for a little wrestle ) ( tee hee )
seeing-( a naked woman )-we.
naked is how we wrestle
on the Politeia.
//
from Republic VI
VIII.v. her crochet ( in our hair ) bathing-suit
ADEIMANTOS: o dear. why ( how ) does she
( she-being-she ) grow
such gloriously soft
and long and shining locks?
does the other ( we ) she yet know
how absolutely wonderful you are?
( winks ) ( at you )
SOKRATES: for, consider —
ADEIMANTOS: ( tacky
like a soda commercial
dr. pepper )
SOKRATES: (o will-thinking)
(the will-thinking)(of will-thinking)(itself),
ADEIMANTOS: o divine tresses, o handsome-
handed wool ( whom ) ( we would-will ),
SOKRATES: (perceive-by-eyes, by-mind, and apprehend,
take notice in thought, think, reflect, deem, presume,
ADEIMANTOS: what could we ( she ) do
with archive couture wool like that?
SOKRATES: think-out, conceive, purpose, intend,
be-minded, to mean)(consideration itself),
νόησον γὰρ
ADEIMANTOS: that would be her, when she
could concentrate, at least.
but ( endlessly ) hes in-
and-out and back
again ( off to the races
of white mustangs
of white dresses
of hope, she-
being a dangerous thing for me to have
leaning
) into
SOKRATES: (the)coming-into-being(o becoming)
(the becoming)(of becoming),
ADEIMANTOS: big bang, kiss kiss,
SOKRATES: (of being-born, being-
produced,
ADEIMANTOS: being a star!
SOKRATES: being-multiplied,
ADEIMANTOS: a galaxy?
her milky way c-candy bar-
t-t-tender,
SOKRATES: being-multiplied-yet-more,
ADEIMANTOS: with planets? Mercury
and Venus, wow,
SOKRATES: waxing and waning,
ADEIMANTOS: his being the moon,
SOKRATES: being-
elapsed,
ADEIMANTOS: not he! hmm,
his character arc,
SOKRATES: the happening-of-growth,
ADEIMANTOS: at last, his getting of his feast! whens its my turn!
SOKRATES: the taking-place,
ADEIMANTOS: his doin time,
SOKRATES: the coming-
to-pass,
ADEIMANTOS: his being a man,
SOKRATES: the pledges-given, oaths-taken, place-taking,
ADEIMANTOS: the gossip about him,
SOKRATES: the facts,
ADEIMANTOS: his wanting-being remembered,
SOKRATES: the past, the future, time to-have-passed,
ADEIMANTOS: his remembering-wanting being,
SOKRATES: the came-
to-pass, the came-to-be,
ADEIMANTOS: his progeny,
SOKRATES: the yet-to-come,
ADEIMANTOS: his well-begetting, well-begotten fame,
SOCRATES: and)of-this-sort,
τοιουτονὶ γενόμενον
ADEIMANTOS: until we-being-( my hand in
your hair )-doing-making-( her hand
in my hair )-go everywhere, in-
( and well-behaved )-around
her ( Oceans ) katalogue
of ships,
SOKRATES: whether around(about)many ships(boats)(schooners)(about schooner Adventuress)(her piece of my heart),
(and other schooners)(skiffs)(sloops)(brigantines)(clippers)(galleys)(barges)(junks)(dinghies)(trawlers)(pinkies)(coracles)(curragh)(riverboats)(skin boats)(canoes canoes canoes)(tankers)(cruise-ships)(booms)(zaruk)(catamaran)(trimaran)(punt)(sampan)(dhow)(lembi)(kubaea)(moneres)(phaseli)(picatos)(fuchuan)(shachuan)(zheng)(haichuan)(wupeng boat)(dragon boat)(lorcha)(zhiyuan)(mengchong)(aral boat)(pirogue)(curiara)(montaria)(uba)(igarite)(igarape canoe)(jangada)(peque-peque)(yate)(chata)(totora boat)(tula boat)(balsa)(qaya)(caballito de totora)(dalca)(wampo)(bongui)(tomako)(tepuke)(mon)(tavala)(tanga)(yagan canoe)(kawesqar canoe)(guato canoe)(ningher)(narangga canoe)(yuki)(yari)(warrigal canoe)(torres strait canoe)(nawi)(nardan)(tied-bark canoe)(stitched-bark canoe)(reed-bundle canoe)(bark raft)(onu)(kirkkovene)(soutuvene)(savolaisvene)(tervavene)(haapio)(ruuhi)(uisko)(kokka)(kalavene)(verkkovene)(saaristovene)(paijannevene)(jokivene)(purjevene)(ladoga boat)(pomor koch)(jalboot)(shasha)(odam)(strug)(lodja)(sajka)(pinasse)(baris)(solar barque)(khufu ship)(lagoon canoe)(niger canoe)(donkua)(ali poli)(kodoo)(gaal)(fante canoe)(ewe canoe)(ugbo)(oko)(kru canoe)(sierra leone canoe)(liberian canoe)(akuafo canoe)(canoes canoes canoes)(monoxyle)(gomon)(karbas)(baidarka)(tarada)(keleks)(mashoof)(guffa)(guzar)(qayiq)(kayik)(amudarya boat)(oxus boat)(tartane)(vectoriae)(corbitae)(actuariae)(naves longae)(naves onerariae)(naves lusoriae)(hippagoga)(lembus)(caique)(celox)(caravels)(carracks)(scaphas)(pristis)(wasen)(yamato-bune)(tarai-bune)(takase-bune)(higaki-kaisen)(sengokubune)(bezaisen)(kitamaebune)(atakebune)(sekibune)(kobaya)(kobune)(watasebune)(yakatabune)(sabani)(tenmasen)(holk)(gauloi)(kerkouroi)(hippoi)(myoparo)(cercurus)(galleons)(cogs)(longships)(triakontoroi)(pentekontoroi)(hemioliai)(trihemioliai)(drakkars)(knarrs)(byrthings)(birlinns)(dromons)(biremes)(triremes)(quadriremes)(quinqueremes)(sexiremes)(septiremes)(dekeres)(enneres)(octeres)(hepteres)(hexaremes)(penteres)(liburnae)(hanseon)(panokseon)(geobukseon)(choma-seon)(pyeongjeoseon)(gwanggo)(tongsin-seon)(xebec)(fluyt)(hoys)(yawls)(ketches)(cutters)(snekkja)(sloops-of-war)(skeid)(karfi)(brigs)(barques)(barks)(windjammers)(barquentine)(tugboats)(motorboats)(houseboats)(ferries)(flatboats)(keelboats)(gondolas)(bateaux)(yachts)(vaka)(va a)(waka)(wa a)(waka ama)(waka tiwai)(waka taua)(waka hourua)(mokihi)(va a alo)(va a-tele)(kalia)(alia)(tongiaki)(amatasi)(pahi)(tipaerui)(niu)(kiato)(langskip)(faering)(sixareen)(drua)(ndrua)(takia)(tuilakeba)(camakau)(bilibili)(masawa)(wa)(sakman)(baurua)(walap)(wa a kaulua)(wa a ama)(wa a ulu)(opu)(holua)(iqyax)(chinook canoe)(haida canoe)(canoes canoes canoes)(tlingit canoe)(tsimshian canoe)(salish canoe)(makah canoe)(nuu-chah-nulth canoe)(shovel-nose canoe)(birchbark canoe)(elm-bark canoe)(algonquin canoe)(anishinaabe canoe)(ojibwe canoe)(mi kmaq canoe)(wabanaki canoe)(haudenosaunee canoe)(djong)(bajak)(golek-golek)(mayang)(kletok)(prahu mayang)(lancang)(pencalang)(bedar)(tongkang)(pinisi)(catboats)(dories)(zodiacs)(jukung)(perahu)(sandeq)(padewakang)(paduwant)(kora-kora)(paledang)(pelang)(londe)(pangajava)(bangka)(paraw)(balangay)(baloto)(biray)(karakoa)(lanong)(vinta)(salisipan)(armadahan)(basnigan)(djenging)(cascos)(guilalo)(lepa-lepa)(proa)(falu)(te wa)(penjajap)(kolek)(sakayan)(salambaw)(talaka)(tumbang)(joangan)(parao)(kelulus)(kunlun bo)(knabat bogolu)(lakatoi)(teppa)(gulet)(sambuk)(ngalawa)(mtepe)(jahazi)(mashua)(lakana)(lakana outrigger)(lakan-tsambo)(lakana lehibe)(masikoro canoe)(boutre)(dau)(mtumbwi)(uwambo)(wavuvi)(shahoof)(bagqurah)(baghlah)(huri)(badan)(jalbah)(ghurab)(tarrad)(sanbuk)(ubri)(thalamegos)(kattumaram)(vallam)(uru)(masula)(padagu)(salangu)(oru)(paru)(yathra dhoni)(thoni)(padavu)(vattavada)(bhela)(battal)(kattu-vallam)(snake boat)(vahan)(machwa)(hodi)(dungi)(shikara)(dingi)(donga)(budgerow)(panshi)(balam)(pateli)(nauka)(kotia)(pattamar)(kosha)(datti)(dalla)(ark)(kayak)(umiak)(qajaq)(angyaq)(qayaq)(greenland kayak)(dugout canoes)(outrigger canoes)(bull boats)(tomol)(tule balsa)(tule canoe)(chumash plank canoe)(canoes canoes canoes)(heiltsuk canoe)(cayuco)(piragua)(barca)(txalupa)(chalupa)(taino canoe)(lucayan canoe)(carib canoe)(canoa)(feluccas)(dahabiya)(sandal)(markab)(zarouk)(ghayassa)(papyrus boat)(reed boat)(maadi boat)(kwakwaka wakw canoe) —
ADEIMANTOS: dont forget the Mimi!
SOKRATES: (the voyage of the Mimi)(wouldnt forget),
ADEIMANTOS: and how my(her)great-aunt took me(her)out
and off the bay, on the Rappahannock River,
near Stingray Point, in her brave and much littler
two-person sunfish, brightly across the water,
SOKRATES: (and many-jointed-rafts),
ADEIMANTOS: triples (we)is(being) best!
SOKRATES: (and many other kinds of boats
)(as temple-dwellings)(of youths)(swimming)(spinning)(piling-
up-in-heaps)(o ploughing-up)(the ploughing-up)(of ploughing-
up)(the wake)(it wakes)(the next)(of fallow-lands)(o will-to-be
of youth)(the will-to-being of the young)(of will-to-being of
the youth)(to change)(to renovate)(o change)(o renovation)( o,
o making-young-again)(the temple-dwelling)
(of temple-dwellings),
νόησον γὰρ τοιουτονὶ γενόμενον εἴτε πολλῶν νεῶν πέρι
ADEIMANTOS: as ( we-bringing ) with ( a gentle tug )-boat
back home,
SOKRATES: or(around)about(just)one, ( you
and she and me )
( we-one ),
πέρι εἴτε μιᾶς:
ADEIMANTOS: but (we-)he(-being) even ancienter
( not a new thought ) than the ancient mariner,
SOKRATES: (the)shipowner(to-by-for)(stature-magnitude-
build)even and(indeed)(to-by-for)(bodily-strength, force,
might, vigour, armies, confidence)(being)over
all those in the ship,
ADEIMANTOS: o seaworthy man, yet lost at sea,
SOKRATES: (o one who is unpracticed in the thing),
ADEIMANTOS: but what about she?
SOKRATES: (o river nymph),
ADEIMANTOS: your Venice bitch, your die-hard, your sh(weakness)?
SOKRATES: (she would flow)(she flows),
ADEIMANTOS: but what about me?
SOKRATES: (you would flow)(you flow)(you come
and go)(returning)(to-by-for the ship),
ADEIMANTOS: ( and had she been a Lizzy too )?
SOKRATES: ( she would swim )
ADEIMANTOS: who, she? or me?
SOKRATES: (she swims)(he swims)(it swims)(you swim)
(she would spin)(youd spin)(you spin)(for-by-to
the ship)(youre spun),
ADEIMANTOS: her spinning
her black bathing-suit up?
SOKRATES: (she would pile up)
(a funeral pyre)(she would heap and pile up)
(she heaps and piles up)
ADEIMANTOS: but were ( she-me at least ) still here,
SOKRATES: (next year, next year,
next year),
ADEIMANTOS: a darker paradise?
SOKRATES: (o one who is unpracticed in the thing),
ναύκληρον μεγέθει μὲν καὶ (488β) ῥώμῃ ὑπὲρ τοὺς ἐν τῇ νηὶ πάντας,
ADEIMANTOS: O future-facing-vessel-man,
another norman-fucking-rockwell???
( a resurfaced one ) just be okay,
just take my hand,
SOKRATES: but(the shipowner is)somewhat deaf,
ADEIMANTOS: ( yelling, we ) believe
that people can change,
can you see the flickering
in my ( phrenes ) heart?
SOKRATES: and(indeed)seeing itself-like(but)short(sighted),
and(indeed)recognizing(observing, aware)about
(around)other ship-things of-this-sort,
ὑπόκωφον δὲ καὶ ὁρῶντα ὡσαύτως βραχύ
τι καὶ γιγνώσκοντα περὶ ναυτικῶν ἕτερα τοιαῦτα,
ADEIMANTOS: poor guy, he needs some crazy gal
to help a brother out ( yelling, she ) maybe try
( imagination running wild )
to kiss the sky and whisper to Jesus?
SOKRATES: but the sailors(are)rising in rebellion
toward one-another around(about
kubernesis)steering,
τοὺς δὲ ναύτας στασιάζοντας πρὸς ἀλλήλους περὶ τῆς κυβερνήσεως,
ADEIMANTOS: ( for the things that they hold dear,
each to forget the thing he fears . . . )
but she wouldnt want him to drown again,
maybe ( we-being ) can save him ( so many
steps ahead ) from his ( we cant count ) mens?
SOKRATES: each supposing(it being-necessary)
(to be necessary)(to lack)(to bind)(himself)
to take the helm(o steering)(they were steering)
(the steering)(we were steering)(to steer)(the steering),
ἕκαστον οἰόμενον δεῖν κυβερνᾶν,
ADEIMANTOS: theys a lot of artsy-craftsy sailors . . .
but ( not like its real ) ( not like were really trying )
( not like they really exist ) ( watch me pretend ) ( not like
they really spill ) what (we)is(being) kubernesis, anyway?
SOKRATES: neither(learning ones)(ever yet)learning the(she)art(craft-skill),
nur having-holding to(show-forth)demonstrate(the)teacher of himself,
nar(to demonstrate a)time in which(he)was learning (her),
μήτε μαθόντα πώποτε τὴν τέχνην
μέτε ἔχοντα ἀποδεῖξαι διδάσκαλον ἑαυτοῦ
μηδὲ χρόνον ἐν ᾧ ἐμάνθανεν,
ADEIMANTOS: o calm ( her katabasis ) down,
take a deep breath, baby ( happily distracted
by that thought ) but did you neither
nur learn to spell?
nar pronoun?
SOKRATES: but toward-against those claiming
(its)not(even)to be taught(or learned),
πρὸς δὲ τούτοις φάσκοντας μηδὲ διδακτὸν εἶναι,
ADEIMANTOS: dont look too far,
( we-being ) right where you are,
( my hand in your hair ) ( her hand in my hair),
thats where (we)i(being) (we)am(are),
( triplets-at-she! ),
SOKRATES: but still and(indeed)the saying —
ἀλλὰ καὶ τὸν λέγοντα
ADEIMANTOS: whoopsie-( snip! )-daisy,
SOKRATES: as(its)taught —
ADEIMANTOS: ( snip! ) yoo-hoo,
SOKRATES: (or learned) —
ὡς διδακτὸν
ADEIMANTOS: ( snip! ) did she get it right? ( again ),
SOKRATES: (theyre)ready to cut-into-pieces,
ἑτοίμους κατατέμνειν,
ADEIMANTOS: positively voodoo!
( and did we know exactly
how magical she was ),
and he ( being ) not me ( we-she ) . . .
SOKRATES: but(the)(standing-in-need —
ADEIMANTOS: ( snip! ) now its a ribbon,
SOKRATES: of)(binding —
ADEIMANTOS: ( snip! ) round my neck,
SOKRATES: fettering —
ADEIMANTOS: ( snip! ) and its cherry-colored,
SOKRATES: -tying)selves,
ADEIMANTOS: pink ( snip! ) to hold me to this wheel,
SOKRATES: (to-by-for)the shipowner —
ADEIMANTOS: ( snip! ) we(ive just been)being,
SOKRATES: always him —
ADEIMANTOS: baking ( snip, again! ) waiting on —
SOKRATES: himself,
ADEIMANTOS: nevertheless, having experience
of arts-and-crafts and stoves-hunting-doll-like-things,
SOKRATES: (would be)pouring-crowding —
ADEIMANTOS: or ( snip! ) a spirit hunter,
SOKRATES: around(himself) —
ADEIMANTOS: (we)i(being) ( strange, snip! ) a ghost,
SOKRATES: (the standing —
ADEIMANTOS: greedy he ( yoo-hoo, snip! ) be greedy she,
SOKRATES: in-need —
ADEIMANTOS: it ( snip! ) it doesnt mean
SOKRATES: -of)(binding-fettering —
ADEIMANTOS: (we)i(being) ( snip! ) am feeling nothing,
SOKRATES: -tying-him —
ADEIMANTOS: put it ( snip! tattoo ) on my ass,
SOKRATES: sel-
ADEIMANTOS: go find her pattern then,
SOKRATES: -el-
ADEIMANTOS: sold him on ravelry,
SOKRATES: ve-
αὐτοὺς δὲ ( αὐτῷ ἀεὶ τῷ (488ξ) ναυκλήρῳ ) περικεχύσθαι δεομένους
ADEIMANTOS: these ( we-being ) red ( snip! ) ( rosy-
fingered ) ( bejeweled-mani ) ( peri-pedi-cure,
her bloody shoes ) ( para-purple-
crimson ) ( hollow-
ship ) bottoms,
( she huffs
a cat ),
SOKRATES: ( swiftly-yelling ) selves!)(too many!)(to-
by-for him!)(selves! selves! selves!) —
ADEIMANTOS: (but then)-whoopsie-( no tan-lines summer,
and then )-daisy-( he had to go weave in )-yoo-hoo-
( the loose )-we imagine you do-( ends )!
( outro, playing ukulele ) —
SOKRATES: ( head in hands,
she-being-sirens? ),
ADEIMANTOS: ( color me bloooooo
blooooooo oooooo
blooo oooo oo
bloo oo
ooo
o )
//
from Republic VI
NFR by LDR
etc
the Delphiad VIII.i ( katabasis of ) plums & ii. afternoon nap ( nap master )
i. ( katabasis of ) plums
ADEIMANTOS: this wind is never late. whether today,
whether yesterday, whether tomorrow. but when she blew,
SOKRATES: down(we)went(and came)(they came)(and went)(against-
over-through)(downwind, leeward)(in accordance with, in relation
to)(descended)(dismounted)(downstairs)(from horseback)(from
a chariot)(from inland to the sea)(into the scene
of contest)(from the tribune)(down to Hades)(we-they die,
set, cease)(so they and we)(attained
our end)yesterday,
(327α) κατέβην χθὲς
ADEIMANTOS: not this time to Hades; but where-to?
SOKRATES: to(the)Peiraius(which, for strangers,
on the open spaces,
was the famous harbor of Athens),
εἰς Πειραιᾶ
ADEIMANTOS: and you didnt go alone; how and who was guiding you?
SOKRATES: with(among-between)Glaukon(gleaming-gray-blue-
eyes-pine-cone)of Ariston(the best)(breakfast-brunch),
(we-he)(intending to be)offering(-through)prayers(and vows),
μετὰ Γλαύκωνος τοῦ Ἀρίστωνος προσευξόμενός
ADEIMANTOS: and not because they forced you to; but why?
SOKRATES: and(to-by-for)the god(he would behold with wonder),
τε τῇ θεῷ
ADEIMANTOS: something youd never seen before; but what?
SOKRATES: and(indeed)at the same time, wishing to behold(
observe, watch, gaze at)who-which-what turn(direction, way,
manner, fashion, guise, habit, custom, character,
temper, mode, manner, style)(they would)(will)make-
and-do(by making-doing-poetry)the festival
(feast-holiday),
καὶ ἅμα τὴν ἑορτὴν βουλόμενος θεάσασθαι τίνα τρόπον ποιήσουσιν
ADEIMANTOS: the festival; shes who?
SOKRATES: (she)who(just as, as if, so as, inasmuch as, seeing that
)now(presently)(her hims would be)leading(carrying-off, fetching,
bringing, guiding, drawing-out, holding, celebrating, keeping,
observing, sustaining, maintaining, holding-account,
treating, drawing-down and ripening
his)first,
ἅτε νῦν πρῶτον ἄγοντες.
ADEIMANTOS: his first pupil, his first
mate, first-second-self, just so
( the plums are getting colour )
but did he do it for the fruit,
MEDEIS: and(even indeed, o month, o moon)we saw
(they saw)Sisuphos(o pain-dyad)(o pains, of body, of mind,
of grief, of heartache, everything that causes pain)suffering
pain(he was suffering, smarting with pain, being ill, suffering
hardship, grieving, mental anguish)(in pain)having-
and-holding(bearing, carrying, bringing-
along)pain(Sisuphos),
καὶ μὴν Σίσυφον εἰσεῖδον κρατέρ᾽ ἄλγε᾽ ἔχοντα
ADEIMANTOS: or did he do it (to-by-for) itself,
MEDEIS: (o mighty-monstrous-prodigious-humongous thing)
(monstrous)(to behold)(look-upon)(to seize-hold)the stone,
lifting-up(exalting, ennobling)(the bearing, carrying)(of holding
in his hands)(considering, weighing, deliberating-on
the bearing, enduring)(the produce, yield, of earths
)(of carrying-off)(taking-away)the mighty(painful)monster
(of pain)prodigious(ly painful)humongous(pains
)(o dyad-pain),
λᾶαν βαστάζοντα πελώριον
ADEIMANTOS: or did he do it (to-by-for) we-being,
MEDEIS: (to-by-for)(partaking of)both(together, towards
both sides, both ways, from and on both sides)(one with
another),
ἀμφοτέρῃσιν.
ADEIMANTOS: (to-by-for) some kind of harmony,
MEDEIS: we were(or)(eh?)(in truth)(he was saying)(to-
by-for)you(look,
you), (even-indeed)supporting
(by pressing, leaning, applying
his weight)(to-by-for)both hands(arms)(acts)(deeds)(blows)(violent
measures)(handiwork)and(to-by-for)feet(the lower corners of
the sail, the ropes fastened therelo, the sheets)(haul it tight
or let it go)(the rudder or steering-paddle)(feet
in prosody, phrases and passages, breath-
by-breath),
595 ἦ τοι ὁ μὲν σκηριπτόμενος χερσίν τε ποσίν τε
ADEIMANTOS: so even when it seems crazy,
MEDEIS: (foolish-dyad)(silly, witless)(to behold)(look-upon)
(to seize-hold)the stone(we would accomplish, finish)
(moving upwards)(from Hades)(back)(up from the Piraeus)(silly,
witless)(dyad-foolish, he)was pushing(thrusting, throwing, rushing)
toward the crest of the hill(ridge)(back of the horses neck,
its withers, under-yoke)(spine of a helmet)(crest of a cockatiel)
(cockscomb)(silly, witless)(dyad-foolish),
λᾶαν ἄνω ὤθεσκε ποτὶ λόφον:
ADEIMANTOS: until we laugh
( when ) ( fall is falling on me )
until we cry, until we die,
until we dance,
SOKRATES: but still(otherwise, o others, o she-others,
o he-other, o she-dyad)(other she-dyad, other shes
and its)(the other its, the other she-dyad)(to-by-for
the other-she),
ἀλλ᾽,
ADEIMANTOS: but blues dont leave other blues behind,
SOKRATES: but if(they-others are)(the other is)
(we are)(see there!)(we say)(we)i(being),
ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ,
ADEIMANTOS: for blues we need a public school,
SOKRATES: (to-by-for)such(things)as these(flowing-forsaken-
flowings)being(accomplished fulfilled)completed —
(to-by-for)education(o educations, child-rearings, trainings,
teachings, learnings, cultures of trees, twisted handiworks
of Egypt, ropes of papyrus, etc, all thats taught and learned,
arts, sciences)(rearing of a child), and(indeed, to-by-for)growth
(age, generation)(o generations)(you will be young, the prime
of life), there-and-then — (and)not alone(solitary, the only,
forsaken, unique)(you wouldnt make solitary)
(you dont make solitary),
would(you)(yes, you)turn-over(transfer, bequeath, commit,
entrust-to, rely-upon, leave)the(she)city(to these,
beings-completed by education
and by growth,
not complete as left-
alone)?
( τελειωθεῖσι τοῖς τοιούτοις παιδείᾳ τε καὶ ἡλικίᾳ ἆρα οὐ μόνοις )
ἂν τὴν πόλιν ἐπιτρέποις;
ADEIMANTOS: we would if you would, you beautiful maniac,
writing curses such as these, whose secret Pythagorean number-
being Kirkes merkin, o hello children,
MEDEIS: but still when(ever)(it)(would be about to)(likely to)
(destined)(to throw-over)(run beyond)(outstrip or pass)(overpower)
(go beyond, exceed)(delay longer)(exceed the time)
(overbid)(outbid)(go on further-and-further)(bidding more-
and-more)(pass-over)(cross-over mountains, rivers, surmounting
)(double the headland)(runnover, overflow, of rivers,
of a star, getting hot, and hotter)
(o mountain-top)(the peak)
(topmost)(the farthest-
ADEIMANTOS: — ( o how are we hyper-perfectionist-procrastinators
hyper-perfectionist-sleepers-and-dreamers
but we also are the laziest of beekeepers
always let the boss-do-work himself ) —
MEDEIA: edge)(about to)(nightfall)(will-consummate)
(the end)(higher)(extremity)(likely to, )(the highest-pitch,
is)destined, (the pride)(the greatest)(height,
extreme)(the peak —
ἀλλ᾽ ὅτε μέλλοι ἄκρον ὑπερβαλέειν,
ADEIMANTOS: when we would reach out for the sun,
MEDEIS: )then, it would turn back(in flight)(turn back to flight)
(send home again)(all the way to Hades)(twisting back
the hands)(and feet)(so as to tie them)(back-again)(back-
wards)(to-by-for the)mighty-weight(mother of Skulla)(back-
again)(backwards)(the Mighty-
one)(the mighty-weight),
τότ᾽ ἀποστρέψασκε κραταιίς:
ADEIMANTOS: and then be seized by cursed fate,
MEDEIS: back again, anew, hereafter, in turn, thereupon, there-
after, then, what follows, to the ground, earthwards, down,
to the bottom(the shameless)(ruthless)(reckless)(greedy)(lost)
(no sense of decency)(careless)(insatiate)(stupid)
(stone)was rolling round-and-round, revolving, rolling-whirling-
down, wallowing down, much-talked-of, mouth-to-mouth,
and round-and-round, the stone(you seize and hold)
(you grip)(you behold)(back at the bottom, you
)(look)(back up-upon —
αὖτις ἔπειτα πέδονδε κυλίνδετο λᾶας ἀναιδής.
ADEIMANTOS: all thats been undone ( how many times )
( but this time shes not defeated ) we-being never defeated
( we-being fiber-artists ) ( rippit ) across the sea,
SAILORS: and(indeed, he was)(Adeimantos)(a)fearless prophet.
καὶ ὁ Ἀδείμαντος,
ADEIMANTOS: O Sokrates,
ὦ Σώκρατες,
SAILORS: (he)was saying(declaring, affirming, asserting),
ἔφη,
SOKRATES: to-by-for the Politeia,
ADEIMANTOS: towards(-against-through)(even-indeed)
these(things), (we-being)(to-by-for)you, such as nobody
would(thats you-know-who)(he was permitting, allowing,
letting be)(let be, you)speak against(gainsay, contradict,
in-reply-to)(in questioning)(in dispute),
πρὸς μὲν ταῦτά σοι οὐδεὶς ἂν οἷός τ᾽ εἴη ἀντειπεῖν.
SOKRATES: seems such as he :P
ADEIMANTOS: for, but still, the(men)hearing something such as this
(will be)affected(influenced, by passion or feeling, come-to-be in
a certain state of mind, suffer)(to-by-for suffering)each time(
the she-dyad which, as)now,
(you would)(man-speaking)speak(gather-
recount),
ἀλλὰ γὰρ τοιόνδε τι πάσχουσιν οἱ ἀκούοντες ἑκάστοτε ἃ νῦν λέγεις:
SOKRATES: O least-worst-man-speaking-suffering men,
ADEIMANTOS: (they)lead the way(go before, guide, command, rule, believe, hold)
(you will set the warp in the loom, begin the web)(he was putting
to flight, giving chase)(chase, you!)(o divine)(things divine)(to-by-for
the divine-she)through inexperience(ignorances, want of skill)
(through infinities)of asking(to ask)(questioning, begging)
(to question)(they were questioning)(we were questioning)
(o questioning)(questioning)(the questioning),
ἡγοῦνται δι᾽ ἀπειρίαν τοῦ ἐρωτᾶν
SOKRATES: that sounds like me, to me, at least,
ADEIMANTOS: and(indeed)to separate(to part, determine, distinguish,
choose, reject, decide, give answers, replies, defending)by(from-
under)the logos(word-speech-account),
καὶ ἀποκρίνεσθαι ὑπὸ τοῦ λόγου
SOKRATES: thats the gist,
ADEIMANTOS: by(beside)each question-asked, (a)little(small)bit(
being-mislead, brought from the side, brought round,
brought forward, lead-aside from the way, diverted,
being-influenced, brought-forward, being-introduced,
as witness, being-produced, delivered stealthily, slipped-in),
παρ᾽ ἕκαστον τὸ ἐρώτημα σμικρὸν παραγόμενοι,
SOKRATES: oligen orgen, as often said,
ADEIMANTOS: of the small(little)(ones being)gathered-
together(collected, mustered, strung, hoarded, collected)
at the end(completion, accomplishment, event, issue
)of the speeches(accounts-arguments-reckonings)(they
and we were fond of talking)(o being-fond-of)(being-
fond-of)(speeches-accounts)(introducing)(to introduce)great
(big, vast, high, full-grown, mighty, strong)the failure(oops,
a trip, stumble, fault, error, false-step)(we would be thrown-off
)(be thrown, you)(he was thrown off the horse),
ἁθροισθέντων τῶν σμικρῶν ἐπὶ τελευτῆς τῶν λόγων μέγα τὸ σφάλμα
SOKRATES: myself more like a stingray fish, but please continue,
ADEIMANTOS: and(indeed)to be shown-forth(brought-to-light,
produced, made-known, made-to-blaze, displayed,
as)opposite(contrary, reverse)(to-by-for)the first
(earlier, destined)(accounts),
καὶ ἐναντίον τοῖς πρώτοις ἀναφαίνεσθαι,
SOKRATES: oopsie, maybe the logos slipped,
ADEIMANTOS: and(indeed)even as by(from-under)(such as)
the(round-mystic-vessels)deinos(terrible, marvellously clever,
wondrously strange, powerful)(ones)(they were exaggerating
)(we were exaggerating)(to exaggerate)(the men)(will be
in dire straits)(at)playing(some game like gamblers)checkers,
καὶ ὥσπερ ὑπὸ τῶν πεττεύειν δεινῶν
SOKRATES: dont they like checkers?
ADEIMANTOS: those(men)shut(off)out(excluded-from, inter-
cepted, barred)(and)not finishing(accomplishing, fulfilling),
οἱ μὴ τελευτῶντες ἀποκλείονται
SOKRATES: those poor men. surely youve heard, its really hard,
ADEIMANTOS: and(indeed)dont have-and-hold(bear-carry-
bring)(by having-and-holding)(by bearing-carrying-bringing
)that(they would)(bear, carry, endure, suffer, admit, offer,
present, produce, pay due, carry off, as a prize, and win)
(what was his destiny, his fate),
καὶ οὐκ ἔχουσιν ὅτι (487ξ) φέρωσιν,
SOKRATES: o lovers of carrying prizes, the men of whom you speak,
ADEIMANTOS: and(indeed)in this way those(men)finishing(
accomplishing, fulfiling, bringing-to-pass)(are)shut(off
)out(excluded-from, intercepted, barred),
οὕτω καὶ σφεῖς τελευτῶντες ἀποκλείεσθαι
SOKRATES: from a room of their own,
ADEIMANTOS: and(indeed)dont have-and-hold that(they would)speak(
recount, gather, pick-up)again(and in turn)by(from-
under)this(some)other(she)(gamblers)checkers
(bow wow)(that bitch),
καὶ οὐκ ἔχειν ὅτι λέγωσιν ὑπὸ πεττείας αὖ ταύτης τινὸς ἑτέρας,
SOKRATES: boo hoo cat poo,
ADEIMANTOS: not in small round stones(pebbles, counters,
gems, abacus, used for divination, voting),
οὐκ ἐν ψήφοις
SOKRATES: be Sylvia Plath, be Nina Simone,
o best of men, go ( and come and ) be unknown,
ADEIMANTOS: but still in words(speeches-arguments-accounts),
ἀλλ᾽ ἐν λόγοις:
SOKRATES: but when they lack the stones for silence,
then they try me,
ADEIMANTOS: since(o dyad-word-song)(you approach)(the dyad-
word-song)(you are)(to-by-for word-song),
the true(unconcealed)(truly-unconcealedly)at least
(does)nt-at-all have-and-hold some very(flock of wool
or lock of hair)(the true-unconcealed)(to-by-for)this(-she),
ἐπεὶ τό γε ἀληθὲς οὐδέν τι μᾶλλον ταύτῃ ἔχειν.
SOKRATES: o lack of imagination, its their favorite remedy.
maybe try to hemlock this-she,
ADEIMANTOS: but(we)speak(gather-recount)looking steadfastly
(gazing, regarding, paying attention-to, looking-upon)
(you regard steadfastly)the(we-)being-present,
λέγω δ᾽ εἰς τὸ παρὸν ἀποβλέψας.
SOKRATES: then look steadfastly at me,
( hi. we mean, hello. man, here! )
ADEIMANTOS: for now, somebody would say, someone even
(indeed)(does)nt have-and-hold(to-by-for)your(we-)word(speech-
argument-account)to oppose(set-oneself-against, withstand),
according(through)each questioning(asking),
νῦν γὰρ φαίη ἄν τίς σοι λόγῳ μὲν οὐκ ἔχειν καθ᾽ ἕκαστον τὸ ἐρωτώμενον ἐναντιοῦσθαι,
SOKRATES: we say to somebody ( o insufferable he ) we have-and-hold
(to-by-for)nobody ( he seems to be mc ),
ADEIMANTOS: but(to-by-for the)deed(work, act)to see,
ἔργῳ δὲ ὁρᾶν,
SOKRATES: the deed-work-act was done(to-by-for)little-old-me.
and why cant they just be happy for a feast?
ADEIMANTOS: as many(men)as(are)starting-out(setting-
in-motion, spurring-on, cheering-on, beginning, rushing-headlong)
at philosophy(wisdom-love), (are)not fastening(himselves to it,
not binding himselves, cleaving himselves, to it)(not laying-hold-
of it, seizing it, clasping it, for himself to be clasped, seized, laid-
hold-of, catching-fire by it), (and not)on account of(for the sake
of)(it, being)educated(brought-up, reared, trained, taught,
nurtured, corrected, disciplined,
as a child),
ὅσοι ἂν ἐπὶ φιλοσοφίαν ὁρμήσαντες μὴ τοῦ πεπαιδεῦσθαι ἕνεκα ἁψάμενοι
SOKRATES: so have we been held (to-by-for) man-childs?
ADEIMANTOS: (we)being young(he would swim, he would spin,
he would pile up in heaps, he)would(wish to)be set free(delivered-
from, released, escaped, acquitted, removed, departed-from),
νέοι ὄντες (487δ) ἀπαλλάττωνται,
SOKRATES: my prison cell,
ADEIMANTOS: but still(they would)spend time(in it)longer,
ἀλλὰ μακρότερον ἐνδιατρίψωσιν,
SOKRATES: conversation,
ADEIMANTOS: even(indeed)and most becoming wholly otherly(
unusual, strange, portentous, utterly different, queer),
τοὺς μὲν πλείστους καὶ πάνυ ἀλλοκότους γιγνομένους,
SOKRATES: elephants-in-elephants, teachings of trees,
to-by-for the beach dog — rawrr — so cuddly,
ADEIMANTOS: so that(we)wouldnt say thoroughly depraved,
ἵνα μὴ παμπονήρους εἴπωμεν,
SOKRATES: we would say well-born,
ADEIMANTOS: but the(ones)seeming(to be)(furnishing
with rafters)(the)most fitting(meet-suitable)likewise(
are)suffering this, at least, by(from-under)the pursuit(
business-custom)which you praise(approve, commend),
τοὺς δ᾽ ἐπιεικεστάτους δοκοῦντας ὅμως τοῦτό γε
ὑπὸ τοῦ ἐπιτηδεύματος οὗ σὺ ἐπαινεῖς πάσχοντας,
SOKRATES: slander, coercion, abuse,
a regular Kerberos, eh Herakles?
ADEIMANTOS: becoming useless(unprofitable, unserviceable)(to-
by-for)the cities,
ἀχρήστους ταῖς πόλεσι γιγνομένους.
SOKRATES: nevertheless becoming nobodies,
MEDEIS: )nevertheless, he at least, back again, in return, thrusted(
pushed)(forced-back)(stretching)(bending)(exerting)straining,
αὐτὰρ ὅ γ᾽ ἂψ ὤσασκε τιταινόμενος,
ADEIMANTOS: we-being ( completely ) me again,
SOKRATES: and(indeed we)i(being)hearing(you hear)
(of involuntarily-silent ones,
from one involuntarily-silent),
καὶ ἐγὼ ἀκούσας,
ADEIMANTOS: but we-being reborn your man,
SOKRATES: (do)you really suppose(forebode, presage, expect,
suspect)(he was alone)(he is alone)
(you are alone)
(be alone,
you),
οἴει οὖν,
ADEIMANTOS: maybe not, but how would we, we-being-seeing, know?
SOKRATES: (o saying)(we say)(they say)(say, you)(saying)(the word-song),
εἶπον,
ADEIMANTOS: but even a chatbot could copy that,
SOKRATES: (do you really suppose)the(men)saying these(things
to be)false(speaking-playing false, beguiled, cheated, mistaken)?
τοὺς ταῦτα λέγοντας ψεύδεσθαι;
ADEIMANTOS: no, but —
MEDEIS: but(against)through(you sweat)(youre drenched
with sweat, the)sweat(y sweaty sweat)(exuding sweat
from trees)(gum, resin)was gushing(flowing, running, streaming,
full-flow)(a leaking ship)(flux)(pouring)(to go slowly)
(to limp)(to go or come to harm)(to ruin)(perish,
disappear, lost)(clean gone),
κατὰ δ᾽ ἱδρὼς 600 ἔρρεεν
ADEIMANTOS: ( sighs into the sweat )
MEDEIS: out(of cups)of limbs(idle, useless, unhappy, miserable)
(in vain)(limbs, body-members)(from musical-members,
phrases, songs, strains)(from a nightingales)
(hims)(however many hymns),
ἐκ μελέων,
ADEIMANTOS: its a lot of hims ( but taking baby
steps ) what about these sailors?
SAILORS: (we)dont know, (we)(o swelling-puffiness-tumors)
(havent seen)(the swelling-puffiness-tumors),
οὐκ οἶδα,
ADEIMANTOS: but(we are)(or)(eh!)(truly)(beingly)he was saying(he was he),
ἦ δ᾽ ὅς,
SOKRATES: we-being not a tumor ( but maybe a Cancer ),
ADEIMANTOS: but still the opinion(thinking, imagining,
supposition, expectation, purpose, pretending, presaging,
seeming, self-seeming)(to-by-for)you,
ἀλλὰ τὸ σοὶ δοκοῦν
SOKRATES: he looks like three girls in sparkly-pink bathing-suits,
concealed inside a trenchcoat, the shape of a manly sailor,
with at least three fish tails poking out, and a false mustache,
but you wont find this golden tan on instagram,
ADEIMANTOS: (o expecting)(we were expecting)
(they were expecting)(the expecting),
δοκοῦν
SOKRATES: the sum and substance of western civ,
ADEIMANTOS: (o furnishing)(they were furnishing with rafters)
(we were furnishing with rafters)(to furnish with rafters)
(rafter-furnishing),
δοκοῦν
SOKRATES: make-find good stranger an un-dying friend,
ADEIMANTOS: (fancy)with pleasure,
ἡδέως
SOKRATES: a vegan brownie to share with you,
ADEIMANTOS: but still(how it)(in general)seems to you,
with pleasure(we)would hear,
ἀλλὰ τὸ σοὶ δοκοῦν ἡδέως ἂν ἀκούοιμι.
SOKRATES: it seems —
MEDEIS: but(o dust)(o sand)ashes(o pearl-ash, lye, soap-powder)
(quicklime)(plaster, stucco)(dusty)(it was plastering with stucco,
daubing over)(painting, disguising)(plaster over, you)
from the strength(might-power-master-victory)(the ten)
(of the she-head)had stirred-up(urged-on, called-forth, excited),
κονίη δ᾽ ἐκ κρατὸς ὀρώρει.
ADEIMANTOS: ( mouth full of ashes )
SOKRATES: you would hear, that(to-by-for)me, at least,
they(dyad-unconcealed)appear to speak(gather, recount)the(dyad-)truth
(he wanders, he roams, outcast, banished,
perplexed)(dyad-unconcealed),
ἀκούοις ἂν ὅτι ἔμοιγε φαίνονται τἀληθῆ λέγειν. (487ε)
ADEIMANTOS: ( vomits )
MEDEIS: but after(in the middle of)(o vomiting)(o vomited)(behind)him,
we perceived the body-strength(force, act of violence)
(they were constraining, forcing, pressing hard)(to force)
(we were driving, forcing-on)of Herakles(loadstone),
ADEIMANTOS: towards a plan ( but
was it his own ) ( and how? )
MEDEIS: the image(phantom, unsubstantial form, reflected-
off the mind, idea, likeness, constellation, the idol)(of Herakles),
τὸν δὲ μετ᾽ εἰσενόησα βίην Ἡρακληείην,
εἴδωλον:
ADEIMANTOS: ( maybe in ways ) not spoken out loud.
SAILORS: how(in what way, by any means, in any way, at all)(really)therefore,
πῶς οὖν,
ADEIMANTOS: (how)(was he saying)(what?)(he)was saying,
ἔφη,
SOKRATES: not spoken out loud?
ADEIMANTOS: (how, therefore, )does it have-and-hold-well
(viper-dyad)(to-by-for the viper)(youre-next-to, clinging-to,
following-closely, coming-next, being-had-and-held)
(sticky)(he was pouring)(to recount, to gather)to say,
εὖ ἔχει λέγειν
SOKRATES: (yelling) not spoken out loud!!!
ADEIMANTOS: (how does it have-and-hold-well to say)
that the(wicked)she-cities will not stop mistreating(spoiling,
afflicting, injuring, ruining, the)earlier(first),
(they were mistreating)(we were mistreating)(the earlier-
former)(you-shes were ranging-over)(ploughing-haunting)
(as the manly-many)(were ruining)
(the she-cities)
ὅτι οὐ πρότερον κακῶν παύσονται αἱ πόλεις,
SOKRATES: by him having-and-holding
them(the she-cities)as you-yourself
are had-and-held ( thats how ),
ADEIMANTOS: until in herselves(to-by-for herselves)
the(philosophers)wisdom-lovers
(he would love wisdom)(would begin, make a beginning of,
strike the first blow, govern, be leader of, command,
would)rule,
πρὶν ἂν ἐν αὐταῖς οἱ φιλόσοφοι ἄρξωσιν,
SOKRATES: so demonstrate(by you)(by my)(by it)
self-rule, she ruling them,
ADEIMANTOS: (those)whom useless(unprofitable, unserviceable)
(we were)agreeing(to-by-for)her(city)selves(we(to-be)are)?
οὓς ἀχρήστους ὁμολογοῦμεν αὐταῖς εἶναι;
SOKRATES: by the ship, and indeed,
let your-himself be used by we.
//
afternoon nap
ADEIMANTOS: so we-being agreed.
MEDEIS: but himself after(among)immortals
(he would make immortal)(they make immortal)
(to-by-for makings-immortal)(they run)(by running,
they shine, by shining, by gazing,
immortal)gods,
αὐτὸς δὲ μετ᾽ ἀθανάτοισι θεοῖσι
ADEIMANTOS: as in a dream, he-being-he,
MEDEIS: (he)enjoys(delights himself)in festivals,
abundance(feasts)(you will enjoy yourself
and make merry)and(indeed)(o viper-dyad)has-
and-holds(you have-and-hold-to)(he bears, carries,
brings)(you are brought)(he was pouring)(the viper-
dyad)(to-by-for the viper)beautiful-ankled Hebe(
of youth)(hes young again)(and they were fastened)
(we were bound)(engaged)(undertaken)(prosecuted
vigorously)(handled, touched, grasped, attained,
reached, come-up-to, overtaken, by affect)(they were)
(we are attaining, in the prime of life, fresh, vigorous)
(strength and vigor)(the body)(vine)(divine)(of youth),
τέρπεται ἐν θαλίῃς καὶ ἔχει καλλίσφυρον Ἥβην,
ADEIMANTOS: ( yawns and stretches ) the warmth
of my sweet afternoon nap
( me-being-he ),
MEDEIS: (the)(child, slave, servant)of great(mighty, big,
strong)Zeus(divine)and(indeed)of Hera(nine)gold-sandalled,
παῖδα Διὸς μεγάλοιο καὶ Ἥρης χρυσοπεδίλου.
ADEIMANTOS: ( his amazing aphrodisiac ) lingers
on my skin ( well it would ),
SOKRATES: you(would)(questioning, asking, begging)ask,
ἐρωτᾷς,
ADEIMANTOS: we would just lay our head in your lap,
SOKRATES: (but)(if)(they are, he is, we are, we say)(see,
there!)but(we)i(being),
ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ,
ADEIMANTOS: then yes please, tell me more about myself,
SOKRATES: (you would ask)a question(lacking, missing, binding-
tying, needing-of)(that which is asked), (of a decision-
separating)reply(answer, excretion, secretion, exhalation,
defence, response, embassy, commission, a kind of dance
)speaking(gathering-recounting)through
(a)likeness(image-semblance-similitude),
ἐρώτημα δεόμενον (ἀποκρίσεως δι᾽ εἰκόνος λεγομένης).
ADEIMANTOS: okay then, would we entrust the city to such as these —
MEDEIS: but around him(the)cry(he was baying)(howl, you)
(reverberating twang)(scream)(grunting)(hissing)(screeching)
of the dead(corpses)(spirits)(if)(they are)(he is)(we are)
(we say)(see, there!)were as birds of prey(omens),
605 ἀμφὶ δέ μιν κλαγγὴ νεκύων ἦν οἰωνῶν ὥς,
ADEIMANTOS: of me-being,
MEDEIS: wholly-fear-bewildered.
πάντοσ᾽ ἀτυζομένων:
ADEIMANTOS: ( its terrifying here ) we dive under blankets
to feel that warmth ( that heat ),
SAILORS: but you at least,
σὺ δέ γε,
SOKRATES: as cool as cool could be,
SAILORS: (he)was saying(asserting),
ἔφη,
SOKRATES: as we-harmonic grow, (to-by-for)me, the trees,
ADEIMANTOS: (o song-ways)(we)dont suppose(expect,
presage, forebode)(they would swoop)(they pounce-
upon)(you, at least)(would be swooped-upon)(to-by-for the way
of song)(you, at least)have-been-accustomed to speak
(recount-gather)through images(likenesses-
semblances-similitudes),
οἶμαι οὐκ εἴωθας δι᾽ εἰκόνων λέγειν.
SOKRATES: having-been-accustomed, self-concealing, (by-for-to)we,
MEDEIS: but he, seeming(seemly)like murky(dark-black)night,
ὁ δ᾽ ἐρεμνῇ νυκτὶ ἐοικώς,
ADEIMANTOS: ( not spoken ) plasters myself on me ( like dust ),
MEDEIS: having-holding(his)naked(exposed)(rain)bow
and(indeed)having-holding(bearing-carrying-bringing)
(they were throwing and heaping)(we were throwing
and heaping-up)(an)arrow on the strings,
γυμνὸν τόξον ἔχων καὶ ἐπὶ νευρῆφιν ὀιστόν,
ADEIMANTOS: ( and ashes ) to maximize
the area where skin touches skin ( out loud ),
MEDEIS: (was)peering-about(looking-about
with sharp, searching glances)(wistfully)(seeming-
like)deinos(round-mystical-vessels)(terribly-
awful-horror-marvellously-strong-
wondrous-and-clever),
δεινὸν παπταίνων,
ADEIMANTOS: ( tied to the mast ) and we
dont want to get up ( master that nap ),
MEDEIS: seeming always like(as fitting, seemly, meet)
he will(would)be(like they will strike)throwing(
casting, hurling, striking, shooting, falling, letting
fall)(like they will fall, they will let fall),
αἰεὶ βαλέοντι ἐοικώς.
ADEIMANTOS: but they dont let fall ( until
theyre ripe ) and then
maybe they will —
//
from hymn to Apollo
Republic I, VI
Odyssey 11.613-626
anima lover
be
be still
if still to me
still to my body
one (releasing and binding
and needful and releasing) alone
(you) happen(s) to be drawing near
you feel my heart(beat)
its some small tempest
our little sea in a bigger sea
where there is no shallow
the light never goes out
only my color changes
you make it easy
when you open me
your iamb oyster
the sky is full of pearls
and one small cry to let
you know youre really in
if (she)(they were)(it was)i
was(saying) (you)happen(s)
well (having)brought forth
life-breath
//
if still to him(self)
one
releasing and binding
needful and releasing
alone
happens (to be) drawing near
some small (what)
what said (he) Critias
if (she)
(they were)(it was)i was(saying)
(you)happen(s) well (having)brought forth
life-breath
εἰ ἔτι αὐτῷ
ἓν δὴ μόνον
τυγχάνει προσὸν
σμικρόν τι
τί; ἔφη ὁ Κριτίας
εἰ τὴν ψυχήν
ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ
τυγχάνει εὖ πεφυκώς
154δ
//
psuche
american shade
well that was a beautiful city
i think he had a beautiful tan
i heard he tried to make peace
in the tropical asian southeast
left footprints on bigfoot and a beach
made marilyn milkmaid the moon
runaway chevy fifty-seven bridegroom
the flag that got left on her face
and then he lost interest
when he lost faith in my body
i assumed it was me, in washington d.c.
my mother my father implicitly
somersaulting the scene
there were sprinklers and sparklers
and lipgloss from a rich invitee
at my eleventh birthday party
so it must have been me
was i jackie or sara
should i have offered my face
like courtney then lana and everyone else
become a magazine fiction
lolita fillers, no filters, no friction
trade a dick in for my diction
go down for an icy-hot la embrace
but i assumed it was me
i bought in, i got out, i was clean
now im your summer ambition
if you cut me down to your size
you can grab me by the waist
be the one to take me back
if you put me in my place
will you teach me willing words
will you rearrange my face
i strip naked for a tune
if you touch me like i touch me
reach for my dangerously thin body
when i put makeup on my eyes
i can still look twenty-one
its when i start to cry for him
its clear im done and dying again
but now that ai fills the sky
we could really write a hit
throw pinecones from behind a tree
and when you dont show up for it
ill cry for a squirrel
he got famous with a book
from a girl it took the look
but it will never be okay
for me to hook an iamb
i tried to be a flesh machine
i fucked the literary scene
all the women there were mean
and the fathers gave me hpv
i thought it was a dog disease
that was the shape of me then
when he lost faith in my body
and i assumed it was my face
i took ballet classes in houston
practiced lightning earns his grace
i was too stubborn, it was me
everyday a tempest fought a system
i parted so many ways i parted
the ocean
even so, most days i dont know
if i can make promises again
even for roses, violets for you
eve or the planet or my ghost best friend
for who made me, who left me, i left him
cherry-black abortion vasectomy
and he was a baby then too
and i know what it looks like now
babies having babies
he was the last american man
it was a dream and he was dead
before my life even began
face of an unsolved mystery
slid right through when previously
sleeping through history
i assumed that bob did it
but it was just he, most easily
who delivered the unfortunate news
//
nevertheless, this
he was saying
if he would be willing to strip
he would seem to you to be faceless
so all-beautiful is the form
οὗτος μέντοι
ἔφη
εἰ ἐθέλοι ἀποδῦναι
δόξει σοι ἀπρόσωπος εἶναι
οὕτως τὸ εἶδος πάγκαλός ἐστιν
154δ
my beauty and her body (nightdiving)
i.
my beauty, a green-haired, green-
breasted mermaid, goes diving
at night, for him
the younger i become
the more my body needs him
the more of me belongs to him
as a girl, i carried a memory
of breathing (in
and out
and dying, for him
and out
and down) into the fear, i carry
my memory of you
cool cells makeout warm blackness
your fish glistens for the light
my listeners listen for
i float around your parts, so delicate
my cinammon-green lips
dont trust the stars
ii.
my beauty is a woman of middle-age
her body is a school of fish
and the (part), our (part)
the (part) yielding to (his) man
(was yielding to) the wondrous
(they were)(i was saying)
but i also for (all) the children
i(they) offer mind(fulness)
how not one at another of them
(selves)(it) is looking
nor even whoever is the smallest
(they were)(i was saying)
but all as at an idol (our parts)
are gazing at (him)self
//
καὶ τὸ μὲν ἡμέτερον
τὸ τῶν ἀνδρῶν ἧττον
θαυμαστὸν
ἦν
ἀλλ᾽ ἐγὼ καὶ τοῖς παισὶ
προσέσχον τὸν νοῦν
ὡς οὐδεὶς ἄλλοσ᾽
ἔβλεπεν αὐτῶν
οὐδ᾽ ὅστις σμικρότατος
ἦν
ἀλλὰ πάντες ὥσπερ ἄγαλμα
ἐθεῶντο αὐτόν
🌒
the daddys issue
some days like i become your magazine
some days like i become your loaded gun
these days it makes no difference which oil( one )spill
yes i read your letter yesterday and all
the days before, your hollow men, your dump
truck spat into my bed, and im not sure
it got there but i wrote you on the third
to say, how dare you write me when you never
learn to read a single fucking word
//
Phaedrus: (as Lysias, cont.)
whether id recommend (para-aineein)
for you
to gratify
all
the not-loving (ones) (me erosi)
// 234β
εἰ ἅπασίν σοι παραινῶ τοῖς μὴ ἐρῶσι χαρίζεσθαι
//
oil spill
lipsblum and parfum ooze
the cherries fell and placed their fingerprints
between my feet like small mouths of a month
of its here its a bloody wee well of a red whale
her fluke-petals strewn long the grey and white tile
and smudge of a moth in the blossoms to clear
but im always her hem and im on the sore brink
of love with the let-jet and inky-bruise style of it
like my pussy would write her own un-willing book
would underwear-stain me an avant-garde blotch
of enfant terrible for primordial brood
elsewhere wind-egg dramatic and lithe acrobatic
some brown-wise residuum to raging en rouge
sex-flowing battle and kiss-knowing cramp
my blew-brewing worm of verbage vole-damp
a crescendo howled in my bowling-ball clamp
and how you offered to switch off the lamp
so i wouldnt need to move at all
so i lie lust-fallow-unfastened at last for now
and i shower near the violet melati that you grow
with slugs softly tucked in a wet toilet paper roll
//
🌖
//
after
the easy way out
saucy
like a bruise
cherry
&c
& the maskmaker
who called lip balm that
mere eidolon
at sundown when you disappear
like death is an unbroken sound
my dark thought into your empty pockets
an oyster swallowed
//
ahistorical fast
you come to me with your fishing game
your hunger for hunger
i might bite
to stir the turmoil of that famous ocean
the subtle friction between his loves
our pretty little law
your holding vibrates like a plucked string
all beauties of the past
swallowed
//
whos a good
i heard a rumor about myself
from you or my long-lost
referential tendency
the scent just strange
like a far-flung purpose
with charred edges
remarkable love
mighty hobbler
good nature
//
ache
daikon & rice vinegar
& kopi & key lime pie
& something i don’t recognize
and everything else
ive eaten at iftar
and everybody laughing
at my stomach-ache
because they know
//
Indras net (what belongs to the familiar)
around her head a sardine circlet
around her foot mortality
around her voice a glittering corset
around her heart a memory
she reflected on the dawnlight
she was setting in her place
she looked sober in the photo
but you couldn’t see her face
eye for eye and cell to cell
did you knot me to be brave
did you tie me from a shoestring
toss my frame across the wave
name the garnet in my cherry
your horizon on the deep deep wine
as i lost count of drowning
for the promise of a rhyme
for your blessed rage to swallow
i was waiting at the altar
and a pearl was burning bitter-sweet
when i tasted your salt water
when i saw you in the restaurant yesterday
and you finally appeared
Indras net was drawing closer
Indras net was catching tears
when you saw that i was deadly
when you wrote my rib in two
i was made and i was unmade
to make better love to you
and every lace undoing
to find the heart of sand
and every mark to fill the worth of a blade
with the imprint of her hand
and every glass was melting thunder
to the predatory corner
and a little death for the purities of power
to the mountain out her window
to the wildflowers evening color
to the sky and sea and weather
to the darker voice that rose
to the horses all untethered
she heard it was one million
she heard one million seven
the circle dreamed it would be easy
the fishes knew it would be heaven
you know my situation
you know what keeps me here
you know ocean is an islands final word
and what belongs to the familiar
//
lyrics for conscience round
music and idea from angles morts
adaddy (of lies)
she sings full coverage seashells for sirens
on oceans stews of roiling fatted wine
she forks her sunset locks for nobody
her cockled chains abreast the silvered brine
she quacks and its a salty bouillabaisse
a diddys rouille on croutons midnight crime
she lays to bed adaddy of earthquakes
her morning simmering the sky star-peppered
//
lemon & roses
//
🌘
wavery
as veils in stages of a jellyfish
under glassy bladder of saran-wrapped water
albumen tissue met me in a wavery voice
a bloated organ tuning waterlight
her kind of swollen onion brining into pores
pale polyps in sea-shade for layers of depth
interior velarium of blue-open cells
just cusp enough for what medusas left
ancient ephemeral bauble belle and shallow
until some lashes numbs or swells or swallows
some silken parachute wrinkles or ruffles
for letting in salinity tasting a pulse
the adolescent suffering of swollen lips
the stung puppet who pouted on that fishy face
the unrequited sag of kissing puffy pain
the burn of cross-dressing as crosses again
the magdalening of a metaphor
her sticky hooks for whatever pickled
potato fish was named the future we cradled
by our other cells like infant dates for takjil
these oral arms reach down and up into the translucent sac
a nexus of neon veins of pink drinking violet
blown iris lightning guts vermillion seams aflame
like sex or ancient theater or a peachy disco dream
one common mouth for going out and in
one ladder up and down the bodys bluing appetite
one hunger never to escape itself
one conduit of oceans endless iteration
to wake up tangled tentacles around an island
where coffee was shade-grown and golden-drifted we
ink-bled as cursive in a convoluted colony
of silvery crescents hunting on the current
where half the word was raging against chains
if we weren’t as transparent as we seemed
the rest would eat a cliché well to sing
who stings to life and floats by sea-found undulations
//
special delivery
smooth now, that rough magic
periscopic tragic midnight lookout
pale arms out arctic like an exiled
penguin into the nameless city
coping, cold, gauze in a sand storm
laron flicker in the mighty dust
a turning ember, hot
spark-caught, gold-litter
in the spider web
spanning a rattan lamp shade
my one fish, two fish
her peacock greenish-black or blue
the switch, dangling
sarcophagus
so dead; quothe the neon miracle
off-gassing meatlight; or Lalah
pink, with only enough instinct
to kill and never eat, my baby, yes;
deveining ribbons in the snow, scrubbed
scrubbing, awash in the darkroom; or
backstage, up rusty rungs, like icicles; blanket
of rags, pocket of candy-wrapped pills; she goes
like gamelan trancing crickets at the cross
by tilem, smoke of incense over the sawah
//
on pleasure: infrastructure & invective
by pan, by puck or by Tokyo toilet, by Pan’s
eye polyamorous, polyvoracious maw
what briarpatch you calliper, sister sufficiency
or savage desire, oh my, this bidet enak
//
but i say more, if words be granted girls
or fish freeze-dried and rendered fatty string
O let me be your hollow chocolate, gold tinfoil
your lie swum-in for truth, your magic trick
O let me be soggy sashimi, porn under plastic
and when did pleasure stop witnessing the true
when angled by the tower’s unfunny retinue
ripe plums made massacre, her metaphor for you
and what does every girl hold in her heart
or breathing torn from her before she’s two
her body, pleasure, joy — inalienable
if pearl, self-mediation from the start
since when is iron more your shape than living flesh
and how long since eternal became momentary, dense
in you, who shimmers through your translucent skin
and whose name do you call when taken by the wind
and does your lover slice and plate your fruit
as offering, for light, cat, goddess spread out in bed
the ocean take what verb you use, cliché or clamshell hid
but give Aphrodite her fucking due
//
diptych oceanic amechanica
hysteriac at home
woe! i am a not altogether fortunate woman
my pocket seams with potsherds polishing
a bag of skin trailing portentous signs
and i am broken news, my sand is yellow
to find my edge, i walk into the sea
her seaweed briarpatch of gorgons birth
surrendered sky by pegasi recovery
as mermaids sing flat edges for my shanty
woe! her thanatos uncanny, even for me
the horizon roars for blessing every line
shore smashing every bauble blending shades
soft seashells made tangible the breast of ocean
and time is a tangent tracing its beloved snail
and the cradle failing of her continental tail
and she is drawing, drawing, under seasons wax
pink salty glowing in her seamless milk cocoon
woe, woe! my every mask a bending earth
reflowing throng of placeless impossibility
and desires every glance she didn’t chase yet
my marbles rolling in her depthless pocket
//
uteri
get em hot
skim cooling
like sumber bor
in 12 hrs or more
chocolate lava cake
stone melting
tropic shiver
truly your
earth dwelling
tacky decor
tasteless tasty
ova in—
ice tailor—
screaming
wicked
//
. . .
oh no!
dessert
amazing
1, 2, 3, ho!
smashing
to order
. . .
//
the lost marble & spice trade
the lost marble
news is, bad flooding in Sumatra; so i
put down my pen, examine my hands
and feel myself a chimpanzee that lost
its marble by these ten irresoluble things
compulsion as a typhoon turns its form
an eye that cannot hear; in filthy flux
a child clings to the minaret of a mosque
i have no word to turn it from its path
is every child the same across the globe
a digit hugging-to against the storm
inherent heart against the deafening blow
an act of curling tight to one held poem
so poet-magus turns her glass from one
true child to ten imaginary orphans just—
as here, as typhoon where, and whether i
was drowning in the sum of what they did
there was a marble somewhere in the mud
ten fingers prying ceaselessly for air
don’t let me be the word to cause a flood
don’t turn me like an eye without an ear
//
diptych
of survival
InsyaAllah
//
spice trade
you know we taste the weather of a word
or housewife by her sambal, like bitter salt
this kitchen hell and getting warmer, mad
desires to let out; adventuring to eat
a journey to her inward, fine-tuning cook
is converse travel whereby stirring builds
a tragic tongue to name her worldly khas
enchanting handfuls for like memory cast
seduction; spice trade, her nightly shedding veil
far-fishing season monger Sheherazade
queen turning by tantalized infinities
survivor storming mercy from the heat
//
