Sheep on the valley below

VIII.xiii. ( sh ) eepy ( comfort ) eroes ( of fluff )

Tue, 22 Sep 2026 18:57:47 +0800

ADEIMANTOS: ( yawns fast asleep ) this feast feels good . .

strawberry ice creamy . .🍦. . 🍓 . . 🐑

SOKRATES: and( indeed )( to-by-for )in-every-way( it must be ),

( she-he-it-being-binding )( it-he-she-being-need )

( she-he-it eats )( you are eaten )( you will be the eating ),

καὶ πάντῃ ἔδει

ADEIMANTOS: baaa ( uncountedly ) ( and o, ) comfort ( we )-

is( are ) your hand in the dark ( my fantasy

has come alive ) ( in-every-way ) ( if we ) already here

( are feasting upon me ) and this dream ( our thought,

why ) would we ever get out of bed ( ? )

( an ancient question ) ( sprinkles! )

SOKRATES: ( surely )or( why? )( hey! )

( else )( as )( to-by-for )( we- )being( a )clown-fraud( pretentious-

boaster-charlatan-vagabond )( a quack! ),

ADEIMANTOS: ( not at all ) ( we uffy eep ),

SOKRATES: not at all( to-by-for )( none-she )to have a share in( to go-

among )( to allow )( to let-go )( to go-after )

true( unconcealed )philosophy( wisdom-love ) ( ! )

ἢ ἀλαζόνι ὄντι μηδαμῇ μετεῖναι φιλοσοφίας ἀληθινῆς.

ADEIMANTOS: ( ignore him ) and indeed we could

be Nobodys second coming ( his suntanned curves )

( his calloused fingers ) slightly touching mine ( to fluff

my pillowed fears ) if we were sleepy together

( and minding our own business ) ( quiet life )

its on a farm ( dont ask the neighbors ),

MEDEIS: and( indeed )( he )moaning( wailing, moaning,

lamenting, with tears )( me ), o epic-winged-word-songs

( he )was speaking-through( to-by-for )me,

καί μ᾽ ὀλοφυρόμενος ἔπεα πτερόεντα προσηύδα:

ADEIMANTOS: ( mmm . . . )

SOKRATES: for( o saying, gathering, choosing, laying-down ),

( we are )( they-we-are )( he( we )is( being ) )( we say )in this way,

saying( gathering, choosing, laying-down )( in this way )

( the saying, gathering, choosing, laying-down ),

ἦν γὰρ οὕτω λεγόμενον.

ADEIMANTOS: ( gasp! )

HERAKLES: o sprung-from-Zeus son-of-Laertes, poly-

mechanos(of many-devices, arts, resources, crafts, means,

machines)Odysseus,

διογενὲς Λαερτιάδη, πολυμήχαν᾽ Ὀδυσσεῦ,

ADEIMANTOS: ( O poly-ecstasy — )

o Herakles, o Sokrates, o Odysseus, , ,

( o all our kings ) ( we want them all ) ( theyre here )

you whisper sweet secrets in my ear ( its bliss )

( its chocolate hazelnut with burnt caramel drizzle )

( and how many more heroes can we fit )

in the same bed? ( in the same mouth ) hm?

( whisper me the answer . . . ),

SOKRATES: therefore( indeed )( isnt )this one( o one )

exceedingly( vehemently-violently )so,

οὐκοῦν ἓν μὲν τοῦτο σφόδρα οὕτω

ADEIMANTOS: you animal! —

SOKRATES: contrary( to the )opinion( belief )( seeming-they-seemed )

( to-by-for )the now-seemings( opinions-beliefs )around( about )him( self )?

παρὰ δόξαν τοῖς νῦν δοκουμένοις περὶ αὐτοῦ;

ADEIMANTOS: ( so much so, we cant restrain ourself! — )

HERAKLES: ah! miserable( cowardly, craven, sorry, poor,

worthless )man,

ADEIMANTOS: ( o yes, o no, )

HERAKLES: or( indeed )( we are )( he was saying ),

ADEIMANTOS: ( o no, o why, , , )

HERAKLES: and( indeed, are )you leading( guiding )some evil

( bad-ill-ugly )destiny( fate-doom )

( doom )

( doom . . . )

ἆ δείλ᾽, ἦ τινὰ καὶ σὺ κακὸν μόρον ἡγηλάζεις,

ADEIMANTOS: ( no roosters crow ) ( all roosters peace )

( a wall of birdsong approaches from the east )

( stretching ) ( waking ) ( oh my ) ( and what a night )

( a dream of some lavish delight, and then )

( a dream ) of something not quite right ( o well ),

a morning thought we filtered out ( o honey-dawn,

o hearing you ) and worry leaves my body in a blink,

( sprinkles? )

SAILORS: and( indeed )very( dyad-under-handed-holdingly ),

καὶ μάλα,

SOKRATES: comfort ( we )is( are ) your hand in the dark

( gently holding mine ) still warm from sleep,

SAILORS: (he)was saying,

ἔφη.

SOKRATES: ( so that ) this morning ( with your hand )

tightly holding mine ( we may ) ( as heroes ) ( wake ),

HERAKLES: which( roundly )( we )i( being )were enduring

( suffering, holding-fast )by( from-under )( the )rays-

beams-sheens( of the )sun,

ὅν περ ἐγὼν ὀχέεσκον ὑπ᾽ αὐγὰς ἠελίοιο.

ADEIMANTOS: ( and o the burn, to know him face-to-face.

and its that hard to put things down today;

these nights spent wrestling legends in my dreams,

the words, the thought, the memes, keep twisting things

and turning round, and running me like trains,

and nobodys word came down ) just to find myself

writing it now ( under pressure of the sun, who said )

as heroes words dont settle for the page.

( maybe thats why ) we try to write

and nothing comes out,

SOKRATES: ( then is it not )therefore —

( o dyad-god )( he binds )( bind, you )( god-needed-bound )

( he needs )( need, you )( the dyad-god )( indeed )must( be ) —

measuredly

( we )will( would )speak-in-defense( speak on behalf )( ? )

ἆρ᾽ οὖν δὴ οὐ μετρίως ἀπολογησόμεθα

ADEIMANTOS: then measuredly we speak ( as nothing ) ( but free )

but fluff ( as clouds of sweetness ) ephemeral stuff

for you to read anyway ( dissolving on my tongue )

until youve had enough ( of melting snow ) of me,

SOKRATES: that he, at least

( who is )actually( we-beingly )( a )learning-lover

( would be )having-by-nature( origin-growth )

( that he )would compete( contend-struggle )

toward( against )the( we- )being,

ὅτι πρὸς τὸ ὂν πεφυκὼς εἴη ἁμιλλᾶσθαι ὅ γε ὄντως φιλομαθής,

ADEIMANTOS: ( that we would say ) to bring it on ( and ) never enough.

( and then we would reply again ) ( pink ) bursts

of cotton candy ( in the shape of men,

of extraordinary lyric virility,

to wrestle you ) before you fall asleep

( to haunt your dreams and drag you back ) ( musically )

( to prove the strength of our reality )

uth flickers

from hymn to Apollo

Republic VI

Odyssey XI.613-626

eepy

comfort

head full of fluff

VIII.vi. spilling secrets ( how we wrestle )

Sun, 13 Sep 2026 21:58:51 +0800

ADEIMANTOS: because ( we love ) my daddy,

of course hes still together.

whole o whole,

he would be whole,

( we would be whole ) ( Hole ),

but he would be much better that way,

once she handled his translation,

SOKRATES: but(the)(standing-in-need-of)(binding-

fettering-tying)selves,

(to-by-for)the shipowner always himself,

(would be)pouring-crowding-around(himself)

(the standing-in-need-of)(binding-fettering-tying-himselves),

αὐτοὺς δὲ ( αὐτῷ ἀεὶ τῷ (488ξ) ναυκλήρῳ ) περικεχύσθαι δεομένους

ADEIMANTOS: and indeed, honey ( frowning

at an obsolete many ) judging by these,

( this we should keep to myself ) he draws

that kind of man ( not to mention all

the textbook ) ( textbooks )

( eyes blur ),

SOKRATES: and(indeed)all(are)making-and-doing

(poetries)so that the rudder would turn-over

(if you entrusted)(you will be left-to)(given-

up, yield)to-for-by-them,

καὶ πάντα ποιοῦντας ὅπως ἂν σφίσι τὸ πηδάλιον ἐπιτρέψῃ,

ADEIMANTOS: but she, at least, was already entrusted

( we think once ) to them, to be para-diced

on the big-bad wave-slicin sea-wolf,

( not good pirates ),

SOKRATES: but sometimes if( they )dont persuade

( to-by-for persuasion ),

ἐνίοτε δ᾽ ἂν μὴ πείθωσιν

ADEIMANTOS: at least dyad-( twice ),

then they stop being so dyad-nice,

( we-being more generous

we let you guess how many tries ),

SOKRATES: but still others(o others do)more,

(implicit flock of sheep)(implicit tress of hair),

ἀλλὰ ἄλλοι μᾶλλον,

ADEIMANTOS: and ( many times ) she paid that price

( unspeakable ) as a result of which

then-and-there ( we-being sides with

herself, refusing his delivery ),

SOKRATES: even killing the others or throwing(them)out of the ship,

τοὺς μὲν ἄλλους ἢ ἀποκτεινύντας ἢ ἐκβάλλοντας ἐκ τῆς νεώς,

ADEIMANTOS: but to save his Politeia formidable,

( the quiet hopes and ugly thoughts ),

its famously not a funny trip,

SOKRATES: but(they), binding-hand-and-foot

the well-becoming(well-begetting)shipowner,

(to-by-for)mandrake or strong-drink

(you sit among)(you would let-go)

or by some other(thing), (they)rule

the(temple-dwellings)(using)(experiencing)(oracle-

proclaimings)of(the)ship(to-by-for)being-in —

τὸν δὲ γενναῖον ναύκληρον μανδραγόρᾳ

ἢ μέθῃ ἤ τινι ἄλλῳ συμποδίσαντας

τῆς νεὼς ἄρχειν χρωμένους τοῖς ἐνοῦσι,

ADEIMANTOS: ( laughs ) did nobody realize

he was just bridling Heraclite? tois enousi,

to-by-for being-in( ships ), horses transparently,

( the rosy dreams and constant fears ) to-by-

for being-in ( the cleverest ) nous ( noose )

( ha ha ) whars me rum ( just kidding

about the noose ) ( says a rabbit

or a hare ),

SOKRATES: and(indeed)those, drinking and(indeed)feasting-

and-being-entertained(more),

ADEIMANTOS: true ( we-being ) pirates dont eat rabbits

or hares ( but we-being our own entertainment ),

SOKRATES: (they)sail the sea

as the(image)likeness(of)such as these,

καὶ πίνοντάς τε καὶ εὐωχουμένους πλεῖν ὡς τὸ εἰκὸς τοὺς τοιούτους,

ADEIMANTOS: ( we may be bunny pirates )

but those not-good pirates

( we keep spilling them )

that poetry-not( to-by-for )( we slip

the noose )-( the noose slips we ),

SOKRATES: but(those), praising-commending(nous)

toward(against)these,

πρὸς δὲ τούτοις ἐπαινοῦντας (488δ)

ADEIMANTOS: but clown-fish ( the secrets

that scare me ) in pretty glass bowls

just make me laugh, or fighting fish-( the maskmaker

likes those . . . but we can go swimming,

we can even breathe underwater,

true story. on Adventuress,

the first thing they-we did,

as women at the helm, yes really,

was share what superpower

each we-her would choose

and why ) ( well, this

being why ),

SOKRATES: and(indeed)even(beauty-)calling(things)ship-things

and(indeed kubernetikos)steering-skill

and(indeed)knowing(standing-upon)(claiming knowledge

of)things according(through the)sea,

ναυτικὸν μὲν καλοῦντας καὶ κυβερνητικὸν

καὶ ἐπιστάμενον τὰ κατὰ ναῦν,

ADEIMANTOS: well thats plain bonkers. isnt he?

how could a mortal man stand on the water?

but can he even ride a horse ( it takes that barely

to hear the sea ) let alone keep a chariot seat?

( and she doesnt spill me ) ( not yet at least )

( and youre still there ) ( so maybe we

such as ship-things could be . . . )

and this may be what jihad means

for he,

SOKRATES: (would)he(who be)terrible(fearful-danger-suffering-horror-

awe-illegal-terror-arbitrary-wondrous-marvellously-

strong-powerful-strange-clever-skillful-one),

would(he)gather-together(seize,

take with him, carry-off)?

ὃς ἂν συλλαμβάνειν δεινὸς ᾖ

ADEIMANTOS: as long as he has-and-holds,

as ( listening ) ( to we-being ) ( were ) his law,

( we keep our inner-making-out

of hors-oars-ears-orses,

secrets to the sea

like mermaid queens

with feisty tridents

like Durgas weapon

and with her tongue sticking out,

as the girls in Penestanan always carry her

for Ogoh-Ogoh ) ( its a festival

amazing to behold ),

SOKRATES: so that(they would)be first and rule

(they will rule)(by-will-being-ruling)or persuading

or constraining the shipowner,

ᾖ ὅπως ἄρξουσιν ἢ πείθοντες ἢ βιαζόμενοι τὸν ναύκληρον,

ADEIMANTOS: that sounds like a dangerous

man-being-( puts on reading glasses )-job.

but ( we-being ) ( not scared ) of him ( hes just

a plushie ) ( nur other daddy-men ) ( nar whale

she sophist be ) ( sea-walking daughter

of a dancer ) ( she-pirate ) indeed,

SOKRATES: but(those who are)not such as this,

(they are)blaming as useless(unprofitable,

unserviceable),

τὸν δὲ μὴ τοιοῦτον ψέγοντας ὡς ἄχρηστον,

ADEIMANTOS: and indeed ( we )i( being ) wonder.

whether those curs would blame the solid stance

of irony, to walk her proffered plank

( even for a little wrestle ) ( tee hee )

seeing-( a naked woman )-we.

naked is how we wrestle

on the Politeia.

from Republic VI

VIII.iv. inter-( stickynature )-twined

Thu, 10 Sep 2026 22:02:58 +0800

ADEIMANTOS: for by her nature, she has-and-holds

his proper punishment, a feast; by him,

its to be no slight feat of eating-out.

( did he fix it ? peering-about

with blurry glances )

SOKRATES: but hear, you,

ἄκουε δ᾽

ADEIMANTOS: ( . . . )

SOKRATES: ( but he was hearing )

ἄκουε δ᾽

ADEIMANTOS: ( hearing what? )

SOKRATES: but hear, you(he was hearing)therefore,

the image(likeness, picture, statue, reflection

in the mirror, boo!, representation, semblance,

phantom, imaginary form-shape,

similitude, comparison),

ἄκουε δ᾽ οὖν τῆς εἰκόνος,

ADEIMANTOS: but anyways, always

( there are multiple things ) we hear,

SOKRATES: hear, you, the image,

so that(in that place)yet more

(the flock of wool, the lock of hair),

ἄκουε δ᾽ οὖν τῆς εἰκόνος, ἵν᾽ ἔτι μᾶλλον

ADEIMANTOS: baaa, sheep go,

and cows go moo, in this

place here, and blink

like this ( cow-eyes )

SOKRATES: so that yet more(in that place)

(by timber-trees)(by sheen of metals,

gold, silver, bronze),

ἵν᾽ ἔτι μᾶλλον ἴδῃς

ADEIMANTOS: in this place here,

by many strings, the play-things

of your pretty little lyres,

SOKRATES: hear, you, the image, so that you

would yet more see(and, having-seen,

would know),

ἄκουε δ᾽ οὖν τῆς εἰκόνος, ἵν᾽ ἔτι μᾶλλον ἴδῃς

ADEIMANTOS: knowing by a lie? er,

( happening simultaneously )

not we, no no,

SOKRATES: how sticky(glutinous, clammy, close-

sticking, greedy-grasping, tough-importunate-

clinging, penurious-niggardly, mean-shabby, scantily,

and yet carefully, with elaborate-detail)

(we)make-likeness-images.

ἄκουε δ᾽ οὖν τῆς εἰκόνος, ἵν᾽ ἔτι μᾶλλον ἴδῃς ὡς γλίσχρως εἰκάζω.

ADEIMANTOS: does anyone have acetone?

somethings stuck to me like superglue.

SOKRATES: for so hard(difficult-hard-harsh, painful,

grievous, like an ill-fitting cuirass, irksome, rugged,

cruel, stern, dangerous and troublesome),

ADEIMANTOS: ( is ) ( his poetry ) but still

its ( not cause and effect ) inherently,

SOKRATES: the pathos(that-which-happens-to

a person or a thing, their experiences, misfortunes,

calamities, emotions, sufferings, undergoings, passions,

states and conditions, incidents, properties

and qualities)(o pathology of pathos),

ADEIMANTOS: ( not really ) ( of ) and yet ( accustoms-to ),

SOKRATES: the most-fitting-meet-suitable(reasonable-

specious, tolerable, fair-equitable, but not according to

the letter of the law, able, capable, upper-educated,

fairly-tolerably-moderately, most-fitting)(ones),

οὕτω γὰρ χαλεπὸν τὸ πάθος τῶν ἐπιεικεστάτων,

ADEIMANTOS: and exercizes their twisting nature,

SOKRATES: (and)he(they)have(the passion)suffered,

ADEIMANTOS: ( he + he =/= we,

he adjusts my grammar to say,

it pops like spinal cavitation )

SOKRATES: in-relation-to(towards, upon, against,

touching, over-and-above, in-reply-to, in-consequence-

of, in-proportion or in-respect-of, in-comparison-with,

between, according-to, in-view-of, under-compulsion-

of, in-spite-of, before)

the(she)cities,

(they were going about, ranging over, haunting, revolving,

ploughing, turning-up)(the she-cities),

ὃ πρὸς τὰς πόλεις πεπόνθασιν,

ADEIMANTOS: that not self-sung ( but intertwined ) the him in me,

SOKRATES: that not even(are)is(we)one-we,

( but one = one-we? )

ὥστε οὐδ᾽ ἔστιν ἓν

ADEIMANTOS: nor is her-we too ( entangled ) with his-me

( his special snowflake son ),

SOKRATES: nor(is there an)other suffering of this sort,

οὐδὲν ἄλλο τοιοῦτον πεπονθός,

ADEIMANTOS: but still, he-being ( woven and blurring together ) in me,

SOKRATES: but still, it(-he stands-in-need-of)(you stand-

in-need-of)(stand-in-need-of, you!)(bind, you!)(you bind)

(he binds)(to-by-for Zeus)(it)s necessary,

ADEIMANTOS: to separate himself from myself,

SOKRATES: from many representations(o representings,

image-likenings, portrayings, comparings, describings,

resemblings, conjecture-formings),

ADEIMANTOS: the manly-many ( and whenever

we pull the thread ) its hims-in-me,

SOKRATES: to(lead-fetch)bring-by-gathering(him)self-together,

ἀλλὰ δεῖ ἐκ πολλῶν αὐτὸ συναγαγεῖν εἰκάζοντα

ADEIMANTOS: by psycho-mimetic ( to try

and gently untangle ) chiasmorganic( ! )geometry,

or a subtle spiders sticky silken thread,

SOKRATES: and(indeed)defense-speaking(making-

doing-apologia)over(in-defense-of)(her-

and him- and it)selves(too),

καὶ ἀπολογούμενον ὑπὲρ αὐτῶν,

ADEIMANTOS: and indeed, defending this-she ( we find

another knot ) made by ( a god? a poet? ) you?

SOKRATES: such as those writers(o writers, o painters,

o scribes, scriveners, copyists)(you are scratched-grazed

)(of writings, paintings, drawings, delineations, outlines,

embroidery, letters, documents, books, laws,

statements, contracts, catalogues, lists, inscriptions,

writings, such as, of)goat-stags,

(a tragelaphos, from tragos + elaphos, fantastical animal,

and drinking-cups upon-which they were scratched, and

whosits and whatsisnames, which later would name

real animals, a wild goat or an antelope,

but how would he know that?),

οἷον οἱ γραφῆς τραγελάφους

ADEIMANTOS: its like he glued himself

( and another ) ( me )

onto the cutest semi-feral cat

( Sri Rejeki, that u? ),

SOKRATES: and(indeed, the mixings-joinings)(they scratch

and graze)(they would be scratched and grazed)

(to-)by(-for)(the ones)writing(scratching, grazing)

(marking)(representing)(drawing)(painting)(description),

(they write)(they would be written)those

(o she-dyads)of-this-sort,

καὶ τὰ τοιαῦτα μειγνύντες γράφουσιν.

ADEIMANTOS: self-scratching ( endlessly )

( and self-sticking, pink like bubblegum,

and self-stretching too ) ( hmm ) ( ooh )

into the nature of his so-called self.

from Republic VI

the Delphiad book VII

Thu, 20 Aug 2026 23:13:13 +0800

ADEIMANTOS: be nice, be good,
be brains-for-glue, be ready for bed,
be perimenopausal and crampy;

SOKRATES: but what(about)(needful-surely-
binding)the(he-)second(he-)this?

ADEIMANTOS: but we dont ask ourselves
to smile through the hurt
its nothing, if youre already dead
but we feel it;

SOKRATES: (we raised-lifted-up)

ADEIMANTOS: you made us serve;
you made her wipe your nose!
couldnt you just have said,
be a cook, a maid, a nurse?

SOKRATES: do you)suppose the god to be(a)wizard,
(an enchanter who howls out enchantments,
a sorcerer, a juggler, a cheat)?

ADEIMANTOS: do you suppose
a heart to be
an endless void to yell into?

SOKRATES: and(indeed)(do you suppose the god
to be such as(would)out-of(a)scheme(she-plot, treachery,
conspiracy-against, will-design-determination-upon),
become visible(appear, present-to-the-eye-
mind, present-to-the-imagination)otherwise,
in(to-by-for)other ideas(forms-shapes),

now-and-then(on the one hand)becoming himself,
and(indeed)changing(altering-exchanging)the eidos(form-
shape)of-himself into many morphe(shapes-forms),

then-and-now(on the other hand)cheating(deceiving)us,
and(indeed)making(these)around himself to seem these(things)?

or simple(single-straightforward)(making-single, unfolding, spreading-
and-stretching-out, making-plain)(to make simple),

and to-be(indeed)(the)least(-worst)of all
to step-out(of, disembark, dismount, over-
step)the she-idea(form-
shape-semblance),
of-himself?

τί δὲ δὴ ὁ δεύτερος ὅδε;
ἆρα γόητα τὸν θεὸν οἴει εἶναι
καὶ οἷον ἐξ ἐπιβουλῆς φαντάζεσθαι ἄλλοτε
ἐν ἄλλαις ἰδέαις
τοτὲ μὲν αὐτὸν γιγνόμενον,
καὶ ἀλλάττοντα τὸ αὑτοῦ εἶδος εἰς πολλὰς μορφάς,
τοτὲ δὲ ἡμᾶς ἀπατῶντα καὶ ποιοῦντα περὶ αὑτοῦ τοιαῦτα δοκεῖν,
ἢ ἁπλοῦν
τε εἶναι καὶ πάντων ἥκιστα
τῆς ἑαυτοῦ ἰδέας ἐκβαίνειν;

KIRKE: o unwearying(man),
and(indeed)(needful-surely-binding)again(bow wow),
warlike works have occupied you(r care, interest, thoughts)

and(indeed)hard work(toil, suffering, stress, pain);

SOKRATES: but what(about)this?

(is)nt(she-)necessary(force-constraint),
if(indeed)some(one)becomes-separated(arises-out-of,
stands-aside-from, out-of-the-way, ceases-retires-
from, abandons, degenerates-departs-
from)(ex-ists)the she-idea
of-himself,

(that he)himself change-position(be-placed-in-
another-way, given-another-instead, set-
free)(meta-ist)
either
by(from-under)himself,
or by(from-under)an-other?

τί δὲ τόδε; οὐκ ἀνάγκη, εἴπερ τι ἐξίσταιτο
τῆς αὑτοῦ ἰδέας,
ἢ αὐτὸ ὑφ᾽ ἑαυτοῦ μεθίστασθαι ἢ ὑπ᾽ ἄλλου;

ADEIMANTOS: (to-by-for)the reader
for her, be happy,
be grateful for her,
whomsoever your-hers be

KIRKE: will(would)you yield(give way, withdraw, depart, comply)
not even(to-by-for)immortal gods?

‘σχέτλιε, καὶ δὴ αὖ τοι πολεμήια ἔργα μέμηλε
καὶ πόνος: οὐδὲ θεοῖσιν ὑπείξεαι ἀθανάτοισιν;

ADEIMANTOS: spun(golden)spiderwebs
from insight binding all the way through the bronze age
that others have things so much worse

SOKRATES: therefore, by(from-under)truly(the moon)(the)other,
the best-least(-worst)(ones)having-holding(other-brunches,
the best meal)(the best-least-worst-ones),
are making-different(changing-altering)
and(indeed)moving, the best-least
(worst-ones)

ADEIMANTOS: its a true thing
to be a warm body
whose heart is stirring

SOKRATES: such as(a)body
by(from-under)bread(grain, rice, corn, food),
and(indeed)drinks(hydration, flying-drunk, drinking-high),
and(indeed)hard-work(toil-struggle-labor-mogis-pos),

ADEIMANTOS: basic things
and others, which are
conveniently always there
for the fortunate

SOKRATES: and(indeed)all growth(all that grows, plants, trees,
animal-body too, shaped by nature, without art)
by(from-under the)warmths-of-the-sun,
and(indeed, from-all-ways, the)winds,
and(indeed other)such sufferings,

(are)nt the healthy-most(o most-healthy)
and(indeed the)strongest(o most-strong-hard-severe-violent)
least(-worst)(being)made-different(changing, altering)?

οὐκοῦν ὑπὸ μὲν ἄλλου
τὰ ἄριστα ἔχοντα ἥκιστα
ἀλλοιοῦταί τε καὶ κινεῖται;

οἷον σῶμα
ὑπὸ σιτίων τε καὶ ποτῶν καὶ πόνων,
καὶ πᾶν φυτὸν
ὑπὸ εἱλήσεών τε καὶ ἀνέμων
καὶ τῶν τοιούτων παθημάτων,
οὐ τὸ ὑγιέστατον καὶ ἰσχυρότατον
381α] ἥκιστα ἀλλοιοῦται;

ADEIMANTOS: we-healthy-training
to be quiet, be silent, be invisible,
and at the same time to shine

KIRKE: but she(to-by-for)you(is)not mortal;

ἡ δέ τοι οὐ θνητή

SOKRATES: but(her-)soul
(being)the most-manly-courageous
and(indeed the)most-phronimos(in-her-senses,
practical-wisdom-discerning),

ADEIMANTOS: and yet you call us

SOKRATES: (o least-worst-he),

ADEIMANTOS: then dare to question the lack of affection
but at least part of us
is laughing

SOKRATES: wouldnt from-without any pathos(experience-
passion-suffering-change-affection-accident)
least(worst)stir-up(trouble-trouble)
and(indeed)make-different(change,
alter)(her-the-soul)?

ψυχὴν δὲ οὐ τὴν ἀνδρειοτάτην
καὶ φρονιμωτάτην
ἥκιστ᾽ ἄν τι ἔξωθεν
πάθος ταράξειέν
τε καὶ ἀλλοιώσειεν;

ADEIMANTOS: how do we fathom
how did they fathom we would
the world would
all would
the sky would
the earth would
the ocean would
the en-souled-wood
the slow-burning ember
be haunted by the words

MEDEIS: but near the beautifully-flowing spring, where(there)
(the)lord killed(a)she-dragon, child of Zeus, from(a)strong
bow(you would live and pass your life), well-fed(fat)(goodly)large,

ἀγχοῦ δὲ κρήνη καλλίρροος, ἔνθα δράκαιναν
κτεῖνεν ἄναξ, Διὸς υἱός, ἀπὸ κρατεροῖο βιοῖο,
ζατρεφέα, μεγάλην,

ADEIMANTOS: we admit it
we arrived here because
it feels amazing
to be reborn a dragon- blooded wizard

but love asks and answers
here-and-now
“when have you given me reason for it?"
the sweet words
trying to escape
on the page, out in(to)the world

we stop
out of fear
but of what exactly
we ask myself

well my husband told me
we need to stop now
and take a rest day tomorrow
and hes right
and we owe him

everything

and she to whom we owe
all this
being alive
(as you see) has given me
a mercy-out

o lord
was she Xanthippe?
did you read that(gossip)story
about how she poured pee on his head?
we agree he one-hundred-percent deserved it
yet somehow we consider me
extraordinarily lucky
extraordinarily
beloved

when not(somehow) (somewhere)enraged

anyway
the valley out
until edits tomorrow
read on at himselfs risk
its rough
ruff-ruff
brainmetl

SOKRATES: and(indeed),
truly(the moon)somewhere(somehow)
and(indeed)the(she-dyad)at least,

according(-through)the logos(word-speech-account)itself,
the(she-dyad)well-having-working-at(making-doing-
performing)and(indeed, they)well-having-and-holding,
by(from-under)time,
and(indeed)
by(from-under)the other
sufferings(misfortunes, emotions, affections, feelings),

all-compound-composite(dyad-)vessels(outfit-gear),
and(indeed)house-buildings,
and garments-wraps-clothes,

(the)least(worst)makes-different(changes-
alters)(the least-worst).

καὶ μήν που καὶ τά γε
σύνθετα πάντα σκεύη
τε καὶ οἰκοδομήματα
καὶ ἀμφιέσματα
κατὰ τὸν αὐτὸν λόγον
τὰ εὖ εἰργασμένα
καὶ εὖ ἔχοντα
ὑπὸ χρόνου
τε καὶ τῶν ἄλλων παθημάτων
ἥκιστα ἀλλοιοῦται.

MEDEIS: (a)wild(savage, harsh, ungoverned, agrarian)(wonder-)sign
(a marvel, portent, monstrous monstrosity of wonder),

τέρας ἄγριον,

SOKRATES: (the)all,
(needful-surely-binding)

has and holds(we have
and hold)it(having-holding
)beautifully(the all),

either(by)nature(-dyad)(would-will produce, make-grow, put-
forth-scions)(youll wax, spring-up-forth,
be born, become your nature),

by art(skill-craft-cunning
rules-system-method
-tricks),

or by both,

(the all)admits(approves, allows, gives-ears-to, attends-
as-possibility)the smallest(least)(-she-)(change)(turnover-
transition-reversal-eclipse)
by(from-under the)other.

πᾶν δὴ τὸ καλῶς ἔχον
ἢ φύσει ἢ τέχνῃ ἢ ἀμφοτέροις
ἐλαχίστην μεταβολὴν
ὑπ᾽ ἄλλου ἐνδέχεται.

MEDEIS: she-which was doing(offering as sacrifice)many evil(ill-
ugly)human beings on earth, many selves(on the one hand)
and many(on the other)long-striding sheep(goats, small
cattle, apples, rose-apples, peaches, apricots, quince,
cheeks, girls breasts, under-eye-swellings, tonsils,
cups shaped like apples),

ἣ κακὰ πολλὰ
ἀνθρώπους ἔρδεσκεν ἐπὶ χθονί, πολλὰ μὲν αὐτούς,
πολλὰ δὲ μῆλα ταναύποδ᾽,

SOKRATES: but-still(truly the moon)
the god, at-least, and(indeed)the(she-dyad)of the god
wholly has(and holds)(youre had and held)(he was pouring-out
and letting-flow and melting and shedding
the viper-dyad, to-for-
by the viper)
the best.

ἀλλὰ μὴν ὁ θεός γε
καὶ τὰ τοῦ θεοῦ
πάντῃ ἄριστα ἔχει.

MEDEIS: since(youre following the dyad-word-song),
(she was)becoming(become, you
(a)red-tawny misery-bane.

ἐπεὶ πέλε πῆμα δαφοινόν.

SOKRATES: to-for-by-this-she, then(needful-surely-binding), the god-
least(-worst)would hold(check-curb-keep-back-restrain-
hold-have-conceive-receive-involve-
be-capable-of)many shapes.

ταύτῃ μὲν δὴ ἥκιστα ἂν πολλὰς μορφὰς ἴσχοι ὁ θεός.

MEDEIS: and once(o real-drunk, a)receptacle(receiving)(bringing
to light, showing-forth)of(from)gold-throned Hera, (she)brought-up
(reared, kept, grew, let-grow, contained)(thickening,
becoming curdled, firm)

καὶ ποτε δεξαμένη χρυσοθρόνου ἔτρεφεν Ἥρης

SOKRATES: but still then-and-there, would he-himself turn-
about(throw-into a different position, undergo a change)
and make different(change, alter)himself?

ἀλλ᾽ ἆρα αὐτὸς αὑτὸν μεταβάλλοι ἂν καὶ ἀλλοιοῖ;

MEDEIS: the terrible(dread-wondrous-clever-strange)and
painful(troublesome-vexatious)Typhon, misery-bane(to-by-
for)mortals(blood-
gore);

( δεινόν τ᾽ ἀργαλέον τε Τυφάονα, πῆμα βροτοῖσιν ):

SOKRATES: which therefore,
does he turn about(throw into a different position, undergo
a change)(you turn and change)himself
for the better and(indeed)more beautiful,
or for the worse(lowlier-meaner)and the uglier of himself?

πότερον οὖν
ἐπὶ τὸ βέλτιόν τε καὶ κάλλιον
μεταβάλλει ἑαυτὸν
ἢ ἐπὶ τὸ χεῖρον καὶ τὸ αἴσχιον ἑαυτοῦ;

MEDEIS: which-whom(drunk-as)ever(then-and-there)(she was tilling)(sowing)
(to raise-up)(she raised-up)(we raised-up)(be raised, you)(o prayers)(o vows)
(o curses)(she, striving, gained)Hera-angering,
(to-by-for)Zeus-father,
was bringing(him-it)forth,

ὅν ποτ᾽ ἄρ᾽ Ἥρη ἔτικτε χολωσαμένη Διὶ πατρί,

SOKRATES: most correct; but(we were,

they were, he was, we say)say(you)we.

and(indeed)thus of having(holding)does anyone seem
(you self-seem)(by a kind of meteor)to-for-by you,
O Adeimantos(fearless prophet),
willingly to make himself worse(lowlier-meaner)
(he was mastering-subduing)(master-
subdue, you)in any way whatsoever,
among gods or among human beings?

ὀρθότατα, ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ, λέγεις.
καὶ οὕτως ἔχοντος δοκεῖ ἄν τίς σοι,
ὦ Ἀδείμαντε, ἑκὼν αὑτὸν χείρω ποιεῖν
ὁπῃοῦν ἢ θεῶν ἢ ἀνθρώπων;

MEDEIS: when(there-and-then)(we raised-up)(dyad-prayer)(dyad-ruin)
(we have taught)(she has taught)(the One)the glorious son of Kronos
brought-into-the-world(Athena)(Athens)the city
in(to-for-by)the head(crown-peak-
summit-apex-extremity-
tip, the sum);

ἡνίκ᾽ ἄρα Κρονίδης ἐρικυδέα γείνατ᾽ Ἀθήνην
ἐν κορυφῇ:

HOMER: but(he)addressed(the agora)himself,

αὐτὸς δέ σφ᾽ ἀγόρευε,

SOKRATES: impossible then-and-there,
(we)were saying, and(indeed,
to-by-for the)god(altering)
to wish to alter himself,

but-still as(it)seems,
(the)most-beautiful-and-best-being
with-respect(in)to(its)potential
each(among)selves,

(it)remains(you remain)(might-force-
strength-dyad)(by force)always simple
in the shape of itself.

ἀδύνατον ἄρα, ἔφην,
καὶ θεῷ ἐθέλειν αὑτὸν ἀλλοιοῦν,
ἀλλ᾽ ὡς ἔοικε,
κάλλιστος καὶ ἄριστος ὢν
εἰς τὸ δυνατὸν
ἕκαστος αὐτῶν
μένει ἀεὶ ἁπλῶς
ἐν τῇ αὑτοῦ μορφῇ.

MEDEIS: but she-lady-mistress Hera quickly angered
and(was eating)after gathering(by begging)together
(the)immortals, she said;

ἣ δ᾽ αἶψα χολώσατο πότνια Ἥρη
ἠδὲ καὶ ἀγρομένοισι μετ᾽ ἀθανάτοισιν ἔειπε:

HERA: hear(of)me(you all), o all(children and fathers)gods(she would shine)
and all(o all)(get it, you)(to sprinkle)(she would sprinkle)(besprinkle
pharmakon)(be partaken)(by all)(by the goddess)goddesses,

( κέκλυτέ μευ, πάντες τε θεοὶ πᾶσαί τε θέαιναι ),

SOKRATES: but-still, then-and-there,
but(we were, they were, he was, we say)we(you)say,

(are)the gods(them)selves(on the one hand)(we are)
such-as wouldnt throw-after(to turn quickly),

but(to-by-for)our makings(they make)to seem(of she)selves
to appear(come-to-light)(shine-forth)(saffron-veiled, like the dawn)
(to reveal)of-every(kind, sorts, folds, ways, countries, shapes, . .),

deceiving(beguiling, seducing, swindling, tricking, cheating)and(indeed)
ensorceling(bewitching, beguiling, fascinating,
howling-wizard-
playing)(we)?

ἀλλ᾽ ἆρα, ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ,
αὐτοὶ μὲν οἱ θεοί εἰσιν οἷοι μὴ μεταβάλλειν,
ἡμῖν δὲ ποιοῦσιν δοκεῖν σφᾶς παντοδαποὺς φαίνεσθαι,
ἐξαπατῶντες καὶ γοητεύοντες;

HERA: as(first)cloud(dyad)gatherer Zeus leads(begins-governs)to dishonor me
first, since(you are and approach the dyad-word-song)(he)made
me(poetry, a)careful-knowing-wife(of knowing);

ὡς ἔμ᾽ ἀτιμάζειν ἄρχει νεφεληγερέτα Ζεὺς
πρῶτος, ἐπεί μ᾽ ἄλοχον ποιήσατο κέδν᾽ εἰδυῖαν:

SOKRATES: but what? but(we were,
they were, he was, we say)we(you)say;

would(the)god(o god)wish to be cheated(balked, disappointed,
deceived, mistaken)either(to-by-for the)logos(word-
speech-account)or(to-by-for the)work(act-
deed)stretching-forth(holding-out
)(a)phantasm?

τί δέ; ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ:
ψεύδεσθαι θεὸς ἐθέλοι
ἂν ἢ λόγῳ ἢ ἔργῳ
φάντασμα προτείνων;

HERA: and(indeed)now, apart(from)me(you would throw-up)he
brought-forth(bring-forth, you)gleaming-eyed(Athena)(Athens)(the city),

καὶ νῦν ( νόσφιν ἐμεῖο ) τέκε γλαυκῶπιν Ἀθήνην,

SOKRATES: dont(you)(you-have-seen)know,
but(we were, they were, he was, we say)we(you)say,

that at-least as the true(unconcealedly)falsehood(lie),
if and such(as)this to speak,
all gods and(indeed)human beings(to-by-for hatings)hate(that)?

οὐκ οἶσθα, ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ,
ὅτι τό γε ὡς ἀληθῶς ψεῦδος,

εἰ οἷόν τε τοῦτο εἰπεῖν,
πάντες θεοί τε καὶ ἄνθρωποι μισοῦσιν;

HERA: she(-all-)distinguised(she distinguishes)(your-self-distinguishing)
(possession)among all(children and fathers)(the)blessed immortals(she
would)(they make immortal)(by makings immortal);

ἣ πᾶσιν μακάρεσσι μεταπρέπει ἀθανάτοισιν:

SOKRATES: in-this-way, but(we were,
they were, he was, we say)we(you)say,

that no one(o no one)willingly wishes, somehow, (to-by-for)the lord-
master(authority-with-most-power, most-sovereign)of themselves
to be cheated(deceived-beguiled), and(indeed)
about(around)the lord-masters(authority-mosts),

but-still, of-all, (he)fears the-most, to-have-been-got(ten,
acquired, possessed)there,
(in his lord-master).

οὕτως, ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ,
ὅτι τῷ κυριωτάτῳ που ἑαυτῶν ψεύδεσθαι
καὶ περὶ τὰ κυριώτατα οὐδεὶς ἑκὼν ἐθέλει,
ἀλλὰ πάντων μάλιστα φοβεῖται ἐκεῖ αὐτὸ κεκτῆσθαι.

ACHILLES: but in — (he)stuck(planted-fixed-firmly-fast,
the skolops)pointed(spears, thorns, palisades, hooks);

ἐν δὲ σκόλοπας κατέπηξεν:

SOKRATES: for you suppose me, (we)were saying,
to speak something revered(august-holy-stately-majestic-proud-
haughty-solemn-pompous-grand);

but(we-being-we)say that(to-by-for)the soul
(around)about the beings
to be deceived(cheated-beguiled)
and(indeed)to have-been-deceived(beguiled)
and(indeed)to be ignorant(stupid, unlearned)
and(indeed)to have-and-hold, here-then-and-there,
and(indeed)to-have-been-got(ten, acquired, possessed)
all(o all)least(-worst)would receive
(or show-forth)the falsehood(lie),
and(indeed, they)hate(by hatings)most
(it)self in the such-as-that.

οἴει γάρ τί με, ἔφην, σεμνὸν λέγειν:
ἐγὼ δὲ λέγω ὅτι τῇ ψυχῇ
περὶ τὰ ὄντα
ψεύδεσθαί τε καὶ ἐψεῦσθαι
καὶ ἀμαθῆ εἶναι καὶ ἐνταῦθα ἔχειν

τε καὶ κεκτῆσθαι τὸ ψεῦδος πάντες ἥκιστα ἂν δέξαιντο,
καὶ μισοῦσι μάλιστα αὐτὸ ἐν τῷ τοιούτῳ.

HERA: nevertheless, he who at least has been weakly-halting-born(to have
been born)(they had been born)among all(children and fathers)gods
(by possession)

αὐτὰρ ὅ γ᾽ ἠπεδανὸς γέγονεν μετὰ πᾶσι θεοῖσι

SOKRATES: but-still(truly the moon)
at-least(would be the)most(plural)correct,

he-which just-now(we-they)were saying(the elegy),
this, as truly(unconcealedly)lie(falsehood)would(will)be called,
she(who)in(to)the soul un-knows(her)she(self)of-him(self)having-been-deceived;
(wags tail)

ἀλλὰ μὴν ὀρθότατά γ᾽ ἄν,
ὃ νυνδὴ ἔλεγον,
τοῦτο ὡς ἀληθῶς ψεῦδος καλοῖτο,
ἡ ἐν τῇ ψυχῇ ἄγνοια ἡ τοῦ ἐψευσμένου:

since(you are already following the dyad-word-song)
that some(kind-of)copy(counterfeit-imitation), at least
in(to)the words(speeches-accounts)of-him(self)
in(to)the soul(we)is(are)(a copy)of suffering(misfortune, affection
and(indeed)having-later-becoming(an)eidolon(image-phantom-idol),
not(wholly)perfectly(an)un-mixed falsehood(lie).

ἐπεὶ τό γε ἐν τοῖς λόγοις μίμημά τι τοῦ
ἐν τῇ ψυχῇ ἐστὶν παθήματος
καὶ ὕστερον γεγονὸς εἴδωλον,
οὐ πάνυ ἄκρατον ψεῦδος.

or(why?)as(if)not(eh!)in-this-way?

ἢ οὐχ οὕτω;

HERA: my(all)child(child and father)Hephaistos, shrivelled-shrunken-
crooked feet, him-it(we brought-forth)(they brought-forth)(bringing-
forth)herself(o herself);

παῖς ἐμὸς Ἥφαιστος, ῥικνὸς πόδας, ὃν τέκον αὐτή:

SOKRATES: the(truly the moon)(binding-surely-needful)
(to-by-for)the-being lie(falsehood in relation to “what is”)
not only by(from-under)gods
but-still and(indeed)by(from-under)human beings
(is)hated.

τὸ μὲν δὴ
τῷ ὄντι ψεῦδος

οὐ μόνον ὑπὸ θεῶν
ἀλλὰ καὶ ὑπ᾽ ἀνθρώπων
μισεῖται.

HERA: (my)shame, whom(to-by-for)me(she would throw-up)
and(indeed, my)blame(reproach-disgrace-censure)into the sky(heaven)(whom)
and(indeed)herself(o herself)

αἶσχος ἐμοὶ καὶ ὄνειδος ἐν οὐρανῷ ὅντε καὶ αὐτή

SOKRATES: but what(about the)(needful-surely-
binding)in(to)the speeches(words-accounts)lie?
and(when indeed)ever(o drinkin)(to-by-for)it(d
be)useful(serviceable),
so-as not to-be worthy(of)hatred?

τί δὲ δὴ τὸ ἐν τοῖς λόγοις ψεῦδος;
πότε καὶ τῷ χρήσιμον,
ὥστε μὴ ἄξιον εἶναι μίσους;

(they raised-up)(be raised, you!)
(we raise up)(to raise up!)(drinkincups?)

(is it)not toward hostile-enemies
and(indeed, before beauty-will-being-)called-friends,
when through madness(mania)
or some un-thoughtful(foolish)evil(ill-ugly)
(they)would attempt doing something,
then(it)comes-to-be useful(servicable)
as(a)pharmakon(drug-medicine-cure)
for-the-sake-of turning-away(prevention)?

ἆρ᾽ οὐ πρός τε τοὺς πολεμίους καὶ τῶν καλουμένων φίλων,
ὅταν διὰ μανίαν ἤ τινα ἄνοιαν κακόν τι ἐπιχειρῶσιν πράττειν,
τότε ἀποτροπῆς ἕνεκα ὡς φάρμακον χρήσιμον γίγνεται;

and in which(-she-whiches)just-now(we)were saying
(to-for-by)mythologia(word-story-speech-accounts),
through it not to(have-seen)know
in-which-way(the)true(unconcealed)has-and-holds
(you, viper-dyad, are having-and-being-held,
to-by-for the viper)about(around)the ancients
(making-ancient)(o making-ancient)(making-ancient),

making-like, (to-by-for)the(she-dyad)true, the falsehood(lie)(like it),
(and)that(as)much(as possible), thus
(we)make(it)useful(serviceable)?

καὶ ἐν αἷς νυνδὴ ἐλέγομεν ταῖς μυθολογίαις,
διὰ τὸ μὴ εἰδέναι ὅπῃ τἀληθὲς ἔχει περὶ τῶν παλαιῶν,
ἀφομοιοῦντες τῷ ἀληθεῖ τὸ ψεῦδος ὅτι μάλιστα,
οὕτω χρήσιμον ποιοῦμεν;

HERA: we hurled-cast-threw(she threw)(to throw)(be thrown, you)(by braided-
work)(o hurling)(o dyad-king)(o dyad-accomplishment)(o lord)(o dyad-
fulfilment)(o silly-witless)(we will be lord)upwards(to-by-for)hands

ῥῖψ᾽ ἀνὰ χερσὶν

SOKRATES: according(through)what,
(needful-surely-binding)then, of these,
(to-by-for)the god,
(is)the falsehood(lie), useful(serviceable)?

(is it)because-of(that)which(he does)nt(having-seen)know,
(or through)making-like the(she-dyad-)ancients,
(that he)would be deceived(beguiled)?

κατὰ τί δὴ οὖν τούτων τῷ θεῷ τὸ ψεῦδος χρήσιμον;
πότερον διὰ τὸ μὴ εἰδέναι τὰ παλαιὰ ἀφομοιῶν ἂν ψεύδοιτο;

HERA: (dyad-)(will-be-)(taking-seizing-grasping)(conquering by force)
and(indeed)(they throw-in)(throw-in, you)(o throwing-in)we threw-in
(dyad-breadth to)by(for)the wide-broad sea;

ἑλοῦσα καὶ ἔμβαλον εὐρέι πόντῳ:

SOKRATES: (a)poet(author)(on the one hand)
there-and-then false(lying-untrue)in(to)god-
is-in-not.

ποιητὴς μὲν ἄρα ψευδὴς ἐν θεῷ οὐκ ἔνι.

ACHILLES: but still, not even so
(is he)able
to hold(keep-back-restrain)
(the)strength(of)man-slaying Hektor;

ἀλλ᾽ οὐδ᾽ ὧς δύναται σθένος Ἕκτορος ἀνδροφόνοιο
ἴσχειν:

SOKRATES: but-still, fearing
the hated(ones, hostile enemies),
(he would)lie?

ἀλλὰ δεδιὼς τοὺς ἐχθροὺς ψεύδοιτο;

HERA: but-still(dyad-)silver-footed Thetis, (the)dauther of Nereus, accepted-
received-heard-welcomed(brought-to-light, showed-forth, made-
known, explained, exhibited)her

ἀλλά ἑ Νηρῆος θυγάτηρ Θέτις ἀργυρόπεζα

SOKRATES: but-still,
through familiars(family-house),
on-account-of un-thinking(folly),
or madness(mania)?

ἀλλὰ δι᾽ οἰκείων ἄνοιαν ἢ μανίαν;

HERA: and(indeed)among(with)those(she would let go, utter, speak, throw, shoot, let-
flow, pour, spout-forth)sisters, (she would)(will-to)take-care(provide-
for, attend-to, receive, carry-safe-away, rescue).

δέξατο καὶ μετὰ ᾗσι κασιγνήτῃσι κόμισσεν.

SOKRATES: not there-and-then
(they raised-up)(be raised, you!)
(we raise up)(to raise up!)
(we)is(being),
for-the-sake-of-(itself)-god-would-lie.

οὐκ ἄρα ἔστιν οὗ ἕνεκα ἂν θεὸς ψεύδοιτο.

ACHILLES: but as-long-as(we were)waging-war amongst(the)Achaians
Hektor(was)not willing to stir-up(urge-on, incite, arouse,
awaken, call-forth)(the she-)battle from(the city)wall,

ὄφρα δ᾽ ἐγὼ μετ᾽ Ἀχαιοῖσιν πολέμιζον
οὐκ ἐθέλεσκε μάχην ἀπὸ τείχεος ὀρνύμεν Ἕκτωρ,

SOKRATES: wholly there-and-then
(they raised-up)(be raised, you!)
(we raise up)(to raise up!)
un-false(be)
the(daimonic)daimonion
and(indeed)the god.

πάντῃ ἄρα ἀψευδὲς τὸ δαιμόνιόν τε καὶ τὸ θεῖον.

ACHILLES: but-still(he)was coming as-far-as(the)Skaiai gates
and(indeed the)oak tree;

where(there)once(drunk)(alone)was staying(remaining,
awaiting)alone,

ἀλλ᾽ ὅσον ἐς Σκαιάς τε πύλας καὶ φηγὸν ἵκανεν:
ἔνθά ποτ᾽ οἶον ἔμιμνε,

SOKRATES: exactly(to-by-for)care(attendance, being-
looked-after, cared-for, for horses, for plants, in comforts and supplies)
the simple(making-single, unfolding, stretching-out)(to make-simple)god
and(indeed the)true(unconcealing)
and in(the)work(deed-act)
and(indeed)in(the)logos(word-speech-account),

and(indeed)neither(does the)self change(position, make-way, cease, alter)
nor(does he)deceive(trick-seduce-beguile)others
(he is deceiving)(you would be and are deceived)
nor according(through)phantasia(imagination)
nor according(through)speeches(words-accounts)

nor according(through)(the)guidance(escort-
conduct of)signs(traces-tokens),
neither waking, nor
sleeping, dreams.

κομιδῇ ἄρα ὁ θεὸς ἁπλοῦν καὶ ἀληθὲς ἔν τε ἔργῳ καὶ λόγῳ,
καὶ οὔτε αὐτὸς μεθίσταται οὔτε ἄλλους ἐξαπατᾷ,
οὔτε κατὰ φαντασίας οὔτε κατὰ λόγους οὔτε κατὰ σημείων πομπάς,
οὔθ᾽ ὕπαρ οὐδ᾽ ὄναρ.

ACHILLES: but mogis(with toil and pain, hardly, scarcely, just, only just, only
after long years)(did he)escape my onslaught
(onset, assault, attack, invasion, rage,
shock, cast, impulse, effort, rush
to strip a fallen foe — )

μόγις δέ μευ ἔκφυγεν ὁρμήν.

SOKRATES: (you)agree(with and yield)there-and-then
(they raised-up)(be raised, you!)(we raise up)(to raise up!),

we were saying,

this second blow(beat-stamp-impression-mark-hollow-cast
replica-image-form-shape-model-impression-outline-
sketch-style-etc)to-be,

in which its(needing)(its binding)(need, you)(bind, you)necessary
about(around)gods(and goddesses and seeings)
and(indeed)to speak and(indeed)to make,

as neither being(howling)wizards(them)selves
(to-for-by)which to throw(turning-changing)after themselves,
nor(to-by-for)falsehoods(lies)to(mis)lead(divert,
influence, persuade, introdue)bring-us-forward,
in logos(word-speech-account)or in work(deed-act)?

συγχωρεῖς ἄρα, ἔφην,
τοῦτον δεύτερον τύπον εἶναι
ἐν ᾧ δεῖ περὶ θεῶν καὶ λέγειν καὶ ποιεῖν,
ὡς μήτε αὐτοὺς γόητας ὄντας τῷ μεταβάλλειν ἑαυτοὺς
μήτε ἡμᾶς ψεύδεσι παράγειν ἐν λόγῳ ἢ ἐν ἔργῳ;

ADEIMANTOS: we agree

συγχωρῶ.

SOKRATES: (dyads)many(dyads)
(they raised-up)(be raised, you!)(we raise up)(to raise up!),
(of)Homer(we are)praising(o praising)(applauding)(commending),

but-still(this, )(we will not and would)not praise,
the guidance(conduct-escort of)dreams
by(from-under)Zeus, to-for-by Agamemnon;
(Agamemnons not good at receiving dreams)
(and)neither of Aeschylus, (well drunkenly sing),
when she-Thetis would say he-Apollo, in her own wedding feasts,
(was)pleasing(delighting)(finding favor and acceptance)(gratifying)
“to be divided-distributed those-her well-blessed-children”
“infinite(inexperiences in)(lands of)sicknesses(anguishes, plagues)

and(indeed)long-lasting lives(and ways and means of living),
and all-together(o all-together)saying(o saying,
o)beloved-of-gods my fortunes(of fortune)
(o dyad)paean-deliverer-healer-choral-song(he)shouted assent,
my being-in-cheerful-hearted-delight.
we(i)being the mouth(o mouth)un-false(trusty-sincere)
the god of Phoibos(shining-radiant-pure)
(they and we)were expecting(and hoping for)to-be,
being-full-to-bursting(tree moss, oyster-green, liverwort,

catkin, hazel-blossom, marsh-plant, or mossy sea-weed)
(to-by-for)(the she-)prophetic(oracular)art(skill-craft-cunning);

but he, himself singing(o singing), himself(the light-ship)being-present

(o bring-present)(being-near)(having-arrived)in(the)she-feast,
himself(o)this-she-dyad speaking,
himself(we)is(being)he-killing
the child of mine —

πολλὰ ἄρα Ὁμήρου ἐπαινοῦντες,
ἀλλὰ τοῦτο οὐκ ἐπαινεσόμεθα,
τὴν τοῦ ἐνυπνίου πομπὴν ὑπὸ Διὸς τῷ Ἀγαμέμνονι:
οὐδὲ Αἰσχύλου,
ὅταν φῇ ἡ Θέτις τὸν Ἀπόλλω ἐν τοῖς αὑτῆς
γάμοις ᾁδοντα “ἐνδατεῖσθαι τὰς ἑὰς εὐπαιδίας”

Hom. Il. 2.1—
“νόσων τ᾽ ἀπείρους καὶ μακραίωνας βίους,
ξύμπαντά τ᾽ εἰπὼν θεοφιλεῖς ἐμὰς τύχας
παιᾶν᾽ ἐπηυφήμησεν, εὐθυμῶν ἐμέ.
κἀγὼ τὸ Φοίβου θεῖον ἀψευδὲς στόμα
ἤλπιζον εἶναι, μαντικῇ βρύον τέχνῃ:
ὁ δ᾽, αὐτὸς ὑμνῶν, αὐτὸς ἐν θοίνῃ παρών,
αὐτὸς τάδ᾽ εἰπών, αὐτός ἐστιν ὁ κτανὼν
τὸν παῖδα τὸν ἐμόν—
”Aesch. Frag. 350

when someone would speak(you would be spoken)these things
about(around)gods(goddesses, seeings),
(we)will be severe(sore, grievous, wild-blustering rage)
and(indeed we)will not give(the)chorus(dance),
neither will(would we)let-go(dismiss)the teachers upon education
to use(proclaim an oracle)of the(swimming, spinning, piling-
up in heaps)young,
if(they are)about to become(by being likely to or delaying)we,
the guardians serving-the-god(you are god-serving)
and(indeed)divine(uncles)(o uncles),
according(through)as many as(to-for-by a)human being
on the most such-as and.

ὅταν τις τοιαῦτα λέγῃ περὶ θεῶν,
χαλεπανοῦμέν τε καὶ χορὸν οὐ δώσομεν,

οὐδὲ τοὺς διδασκάλους ἐάσομεν ἐπὶ παιδείᾳ χρῆσθαι τῶν νέων,
εἰ μέλλουσιν ἡμῖν οἱ φύλακες θεοσεβεῖς τε καὶ θεῖοι γίγνεσθαι,
καθ᾽ ὅσον ἀνθρώπῳ ἐπὶ πλεῖστον οἷόν τε.

ADEIMANTOS: all-in-all

παντάπασιν, ἔφη,

SOKRATES: (we)i(being)at least agreeing-with(yielding-to)these blows(stamps,
impressions, imprints, beats, engravings, reliefs, shapes, etc),
and(indeed)as(to-by-for)laws(and customs)
would(consult as an oracle)use.

ἔγωγε τοὺς τύπους τούτους συγχωρῶ,
καὶ ὡς νόμοις ἂν χρῴμην.