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ADEIMANTOS: ( yawns fast asleep ) this feast feels good . .

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strawberry ice creamy . .🍦. . 🍓 . . 🐑

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SOKRATES: and( indeed )( to-by-for )in-every-way( it must be ),

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( she-he-it-being-binding )( it-he-she-being-need )

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( she-he-it eats )( you are eaten )( you will be the eating ),

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καὶ πάντῃ ἔδει

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ADEIMANTOS: baaa ( uncountedly ) ( and o, ) comfort ( we )-

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is( are ) your hand in the dark ( my fantasy

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has come alive ) ( in-every-way ) ( if we ) already here

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( are feasting upon me ) and this dream ( our thought,

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why ) would we ever get out of bed ( ? )

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( an ancient question ) ( sprinkles! )

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SOKRATES: ( surely )or( why? )( hey! )

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( else )( as )( to-by-for )( we- )being( a )clown-fraud( pretentious-

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boaster-charlatan-vagabond )( a quack! ),

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ADEIMANTOS: ( not at all ) ( we uffy eep ),

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SOKRATES: not at all( to-by-for )( none-she )to have a share in( to go-

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among )( to allow )( to let-go )( to go-after )

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true( unconcealed )philosophy( wisdom-love ) ( ! )

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ἢ ἀλαζόνι ὄντι μηδαμῇ μετεῖναι φιλοσοφίας ἀληθινῆς.

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ADEIMANTOS: ( ignore him ) and indeed we could

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be Nobodys second coming ( his suntanned curves )

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( his calloused fingers ) slightly touching mine ( to fluff

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my pillowed fears ) if we were sleepy together

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( and minding our own business ) ( quiet life )

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its on a farm ( dont ask the neighbors ),

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MEDEIS: and( indeed )( he )moaning( wailing, moaning,

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lamenting, with tears )( me ), o epic-winged-word-songs

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( he )was speaking-through( to-by-for )me,

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καί μ᾽ ὀλοφυρόμενος ἔπεα πτερόεντα προσηύδα:

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ADEIMANTOS: ( mmm . . . )

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SOKRATES: for( o saying, gathering, choosing, laying-down ),

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( we are )( they-we-are )( he( we )is( being ) )( we say )in this way,

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saying( gathering, choosing, laying-down )( in this way )

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( the saying, gathering, choosing, laying-down ),

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ἦν γὰρ οὕτω λεγόμενον.

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ADEIMANTOS: ( gasp! )

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HERAKLES: o sprung-from-Zeus son-of-Laertes, poly-

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mechanos(of many-devices, arts, resources, crafts, means,

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machines)Odysseus,

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διογενὲς Λαερτιάδη, πολυμήχαν᾽ Ὀδυσσεῦ,

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ADEIMANTOS: ( O poly-ecstasy — )

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o Herakles, o Sokrates, o Odysseus, , ,

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( o all our kings ) ( we want them all ) ( theyre here )

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you whisper sweet secrets in my ear ( its bliss )

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( its chocolate hazelnut with burnt caramel drizzle )

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( and how many more heroes can we fit )

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in the same bed? ( in the same mouth ) hm?

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( whisper me the answer . . . ),

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SOKRATES: therefore( indeed )( isnt )this one( o one )

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exceedingly( vehemently-violently )so,

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οὐκοῦν ἓν μὲν τοῦτο σφόδρα οὕτω

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ADEIMANTOS: you animal! —

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SOKRATES: contrary( to the )opinion( belief )( seeming-they-seemed )

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( to-by-for )the now-seemings( opinions-beliefs )around( about )him( self )?

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παρὰ δόξαν τοῖς νῦν δοκουμένοις περὶ αὐτοῦ;

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ADEIMANTOS: ( so much so, we cant restrain ourself! — )

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HERAKLES: ah! miserable( cowardly, craven, sorry, poor,

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worthless )man,

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ADEIMANTOS: ( o yes, o no, )

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HERAKLES: or( indeed )( we are )( he was saying ),

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ADEIMANTOS: ( o no, o why, , , )

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HERAKLES: and( indeed, are )you leading( guiding )some evil

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( bad-ill-ugly )destiny( fate-doom )

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( doom )

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( doom )

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( doom . . . )

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ἆ δείλ᾽, ἦ τινὰ καὶ σὺ κακὸν μόρον ἡγηλάζεις,

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ADEIMANTOS: ( no roosters crow ) ( all roosters peace )

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( a wall of birdsong approaches from the east )

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( stretching ) ( waking ) ( oh my ) ( and what a night )

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( a dream of some lavish delight, and then )

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( a dream ) of something not quite right ( o well ),

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a morning thought we filtered out ( o honey-dawn,

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o hearing you ) and worry leaves my body in a blink,

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( sprinkles? )

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SAILORS: and( indeed )very( dyad-under-handed-holdingly ),

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καὶ μάλα,

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SOKRATES: comfort ( we )is( are ) your hand in the dark

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( gently holding mine ) still warm from sleep,

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SAILORS: (he)was saying,

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ἔφη.

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SOKRATES: ( so that ) this morning ( with your hand )

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tightly holding mine ( we may ) ( as heroes ) ( wake ),

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HERAKLES: which( roundly )( we )i( being )were enduring

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( suffering, holding-fast )by( from-under )( the )rays-

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beams-sheens( of the )sun,

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ὅν περ ἐγὼν ὀχέεσκον ὑπ᾽ αὐγὰς ἠελίοιο.

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ADEIMANTOS: ( and o the burn, to know him face-to-face.

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and its that hard to put things down today;

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these nights spent wrestling legends in my dreams,

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the words, the thought, the memes, keep twisting things

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and turning round, and running me like trains,

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and nobodys word came down ) just to find myself

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writing it now ( under pressure of the sun, who said )

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as heroes words dont settle for the page.

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( maybe thats why ) we try to write

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and nothing comes out,

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SOKRATES: ( then is it not )therefore —

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( o dyad-god )( he binds )( bind, you )( god-needed-bound )

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( he needs )( need, you )( the dyad-god )( indeed )must( be ) —

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measuredly

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( we )will( would )speak-in-defense( speak on behalf )( ? )

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ἆρ᾽ οὖν δὴ οὐ μετρίως ἀπολογησόμεθα

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ADEIMANTOS: then measuredly we speak ( as nothing ) ( but free )

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but fluff ( as clouds of sweetness ) ephemeral stuff

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for you to read anyway ( dissolving on my tongue )

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until youve had enough ( of melting snow ) of me,

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SOKRATES: that he, at least

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( who is )actually( we-beingly )( a )learning-lover

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( would be )having-by-nature( origin-growth )

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( that he )would compete( contend-struggle )

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toward( against )the( we- )being,

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ὅτι πρὸς τὸ ὂν πεφυκὼς εἴη ἁμιλλᾶσθαι ὅ γε ὄντως φιλομαθής,

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ADEIMANTOS: ( that we would say ) to bring it on ( and ) never enough.

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( and then we would reply again ) ( pink ) bursts

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of cotton candy ( in the shape of men,

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of extraordinary lyric virility,

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to wrestle you ) before you fall asleep

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( to haunt your dreams and drag you back ) ( musically )

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( to prove the strength of our reality )

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uth flickers

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//

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from hymn to Apollo

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Republic VI

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Odyssey XI.613-626

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eepy

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comfort

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head full of fluff

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ADEIMANTOS: because ( we love ) my daddy,

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of course hes still together.

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whole o whole,

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he would be whole,

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( we would be whole ) ( Hole ),

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but he would be much better that way,

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once she handled his translation,

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SOKRATES: but(the)(standing-in-need-of)(binding-

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fettering-tying)selves,

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(to-by-for)the shipowner always himself,

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(would be)pouring-crowding-around(himself)

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(the standing-in-need-of)(binding-fettering-tying-himselves),

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αὐτοὺς δὲ ( αὐτῷ ἀεὶ τῷ (488ξ) ναυκλήρῳ ) περικεχύσθαι δεομένους

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ADEIMANTOS: and indeed, honey ( frowning

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at an obsolete many ) judging by these,

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( this we should keep to myself ) he draws

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that kind of man ( not to mention all

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the textbook ) ( textbooks )

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( eyes blur ),

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SOKRATES: and(indeed)all(are)making-and-doing

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(poetries)so that the rudder would turn-over

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(if you entrusted)(you will be left-to)(given-

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up, yield)to-for-by-them,

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καὶ πάντα ποιοῦντας ὅπως ἂν σφίσι τὸ πηδάλιον ἐπιτρέψῃ,

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ADEIMANTOS: but she, at least, was already entrusted

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( we think once ) to them, to be para-diced

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on the big-bad wave-slicin sea-wolf,

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( not good pirates ),

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SOKRATES: but sometimes if( they )dont persuade

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( to-by-for persuasion ),

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ἐνίοτε δ᾽ ἂν μὴ πείθωσιν

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ADEIMANTOS: at least dyad-( twice ),

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then they stop being so dyad-nice,

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( we-being more generous

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we let you guess how many tries ),

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SOKRATES: but still others(o others do)more,

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(implicit flock of sheep)(implicit tress of hair),

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ἀλλὰ ἄλλοι μᾶλλον,

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ADEIMANTOS: and ( many times ) she paid that price

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( unspeakable ) as a result of which

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then-and-there ( we-being sides with

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herself, refusing his delivery ),

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SOKRATES: even killing the others or throwing(them)out of the ship, 

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τοὺς μὲν ἄλλους ἢ ἀποκτεινύντας ἢ ἐκβάλλοντας ἐκ τῆς νεώς,

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ADEIMANTOS: but to save his Politeia formidable,

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( the quiet hopes and ugly thoughts ),

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its famously not a funny trip,

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SOKRATES: but(they), binding-hand-and-foot

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the well-becoming(well-begetting)shipowner,

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(to-by-for)mandrake or strong-drink

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(you sit among)(you would let-go)

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or by some other(thing), (they)rule

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the(temple-dwellings)(using)(experiencing)(oracle-

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proclaimings)of(the)ship(to-by-for)being-in —

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τὸν δὲ γενναῖον ναύκληρον μανδραγόρᾳ

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ἢ μέθῃ ἤ τινι ἄλλῳ συμποδίσαντας

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τῆς νεὼς ἄρχειν χρωμένους τοῖς ἐνοῦσι,

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ADEIMANTOS: ( laughs ) did nobody realize

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he was just bridling Heraclite? tois enousi,

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to-by-for being-in( ships ), horses transparently,

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( the rosy dreams and constant fears ) to-by-

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for being-in ( the cleverest ) nous ( noose )

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( ha ha ) whars me rum ( just kidding

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about the noose ) ( says a rabbit

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or a hare ),

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SOKRATES: and(indeed)those, drinking and(indeed)feasting-

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and-being-entertained(more),

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ADEIMANTOS: true ( we-being ) pirates dont eat rabbits

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or hares ( but we-being our own entertainment ),

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SOKRATES: (they)sail the sea

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as the(image)likeness(of)such as these,

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καὶ πίνοντάς τε καὶ εὐωχουμένους πλεῖν ὡς τὸ εἰκὸς τοὺς τοιούτους,

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ADEIMANTOS: ( we may be bunny pirates )

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but those not-good pirates

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( we keep spilling them )

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that poetry-not( to-by-for )( we slip

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the noose )-( the noose slips we ),

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SOKRATES: but(those), praising-commending(nous)

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toward(against)these,

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πρὸς δὲ τούτοις ἐπαινοῦντας (488δ)

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ADEIMANTOS: but clown-fish ( the secrets

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that scare me ) in pretty glass bowls

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just make me laugh, or fighting fish-( the maskmaker

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likes those . . . but we can go swimming,

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we can even breathe underwater,

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true story. on Adventuress,

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the first thing they-we did,

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as women at the helm, yes really,

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was share what superpower

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each we-her would choose

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and why ) ( well, this

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being why ),

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SOKRATES: and(indeed)even(beauty-)calling(things)ship-things

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and(indeed kubernetikos)steering-skill

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and(indeed)knowing(standing-upon)(claiming knowledge

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of)things according(through the)sea, 

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ναυτικὸν μὲν καλοῦντας καὶ κυβερνητικὸν

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καὶ ἐπιστάμενον τὰ κατὰ ναῦν,

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ADEIMANTOS: well thats plain bonkers. isnt he?

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how could a mortal man stand on the water?

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but can he even ride a horse ( it takes that barely

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to hear the sea ) let alone keep a chariot seat?

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( and she doesnt spill me ) ( not yet at least )

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( and youre still there ) ( so maybe we

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such as ship-things could be . . . )

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and this may be what jihad means

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for he,

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SOKRATES: (would)he(who be)terrible(fearful-danger-suffering-horror-

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awe-illegal-terror-arbitrary-wondrous-marvellously-

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strong-powerful-strange-clever-skillful-one),

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would(he)gather-together(seize,

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take with him, carry-off)?

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ὃς ἂν συλλαμβάνειν δεινὸς ᾖ

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ADEIMANTOS: as long as he has-and-holds,

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as ( listening ) ( to we-being ) ( were ) his law,

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( we keep our inner-making-out

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of hors-oars-ears-orses,

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secrets to the sea

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like mermaid queens

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with feisty tridents

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like Durgas weapon

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and with her tongue sticking out,

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as the girls in Penestanan always carry her

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for Ogoh-Ogoh ) ( its a festival

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amazing to behold ),

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SOKRATES: so that(they would)be first and rule

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(they will rule)(by-will-being-ruling)or persuading

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or constraining the shipowner,

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ᾖ ὅπως ἄρξουσιν ἢ πείθοντες ἢ βιαζόμενοι τὸν ναύκληρον,

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ADEIMANTOS: that sounds like a dangerous

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man-being-( puts on reading glasses )-job.

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but ( we-being ) ( not scared ) of him ( hes just

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a plushie ) ( nur other daddy-men ) ( nar whale

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she sophist be ) ( sea-walking daughter

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of a dancer ) ( she-pirate ) indeed,

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SOKRATES: but(those who are)not such as this,

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(they are)blaming as useless(unprofitable,

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unserviceable),

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τὸν δὲ μὴ τοιοῦτον ψέγοντας ὡς ἄχρηστον,

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ADEIMANTOS: and indeed ( we )i( being ) wonder.

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whether those curs would blame the solid stance

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of irony, to walk her proffered plank

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( even for a little wrestle ) ( tee hee )

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seeing-( a naked woman )-we.

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naked is how we wrestle

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on the Politeia.

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//

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from Republic VI

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ADEIMANTOS: for by her nature, she has-and-holds

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his proper punishment, a feast; by him, 

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its to be no slight feat of eating-out.

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( did he fix it ? peering-about

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with blurry glances )

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SOKRATES: but hear, you,

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ἄκουε δ᾽

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ADEIMANTOS: ( . . . )

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SOKRATES: ( but he was hearing )

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ἄκουε δ᾽

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ADEIMANTOS: ( hearing what? )

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SOKRATES: but hear, you(he was hearing)therefore,

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the image(likeness, picture, statue, reflection

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in the mirror, boo!, representation, semblance,

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phantom, imaginary form-shape,

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similitude, comparison),

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ἄκουε δ᾽ οὖν τῆς εἰκόνος,

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ADEIMANTOS: but anyways, always

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( there are multiple things ) we hear,

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SOKRATES: hear, you, the image,

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so that(in that place)yet more

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(the flock of wool, the lock of hair),

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ἄκουε δ᾽ οὖν τῆς εἰκόνος, ἵν᾽ ἔτι μᾶλλον

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ADEIMANTOS: baaa, sheep go,

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and cows go moo, in this

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place here, and blink

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like this ( cow-eyes )

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SOKRATES: so that yet more(in that place)

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(by timber-trees)(by sheen of metals,

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gold, silver, bronze),

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ἵν᾽ ἔτι μᾶλλον ἴδῃς

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ADEIMANTOS: in this place here,

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by many strings, the play-things

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of your pretty little lyres,

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SOKRATES: hear, you, the image, so that you

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would yet more see(and, having-seen,

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would know),

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ἄκουε δ᾽ οὖν τῆς εἰκόνος, ἵν᾽ ἔτι μᾶλλον ἴδῃς

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ADEIMANTOS: knowing by a lie? er,

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( happening simultaneously )

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not we, no no,

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SOKRATES: how sticky(glutinous, clammy, close-

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sticking, greedy-grasping, tough-importunate-

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clinging, penurious-niggardly, mean-shabby, scantily,

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and yet carefully, with elaborate-detail)

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(we)make-likeness-images.

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ἄκουε δ᾽ οὖν τῆς εἰκόνος, ἵν᾽ ἔτι μᾶλλον ἴδῃς ὡς γλίσχρως εἰκάζω. 

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ADEIMANTOS: does anyone have acetone?

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somethings stuck to me like superglue.

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SOKRATES: for so hard(difficult-hard-harsh, painful,

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grievous, like an ill-fitting cuirass, irksome, rugged,

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cruel, stern, dangerous and troublesome),

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ADEIMANTOS: ( is ) ( his poetry ) but still

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its ( not cause and effect ) inherently,

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SOKRATES: the pathos(that-which-happens-to

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a person or a thing, their experiences, misfortunes,

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calamities, emotions, sufferings, undergoings, passions,

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states and conditions, incidents, properties

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and qualities)(o pathology of pathos),

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ADEIMANTOS: ( not really ) ( of ) and yet ( accustoms-to ),

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SOKRATES: the most-fitting-meet-suitable(reasonable-

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specious, tolerable, fair-equitable, but not according to

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the letter of the law, able, capable, upper-educated,

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fairly-tolerably-moderately, most-fitting)(ones),

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οὕτω γὰρ χαλεπὸν τὸ πάθος τῶν ἐπιεικεστάτων,

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ADEIMANTOS: and exercizes their twisting nature,

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SOKRATES: (and)he(they)have(the passion)suffered,

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ADEIMANTOS: ( he + he =/= we,

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he adjusts my grammar to say,

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it pops like spinal cavitation )

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SOKRATES: in-relation-to(towards, upon, against,

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touching, over-and-above, in-reply-to, in-consequence-

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of, in-proportion or in-respect-of, in-comparison-with,

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between, according-to, in-view-of, under-compulsion-

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of, in-spite-of, before)

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the(she)cities,

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(they were going about, ranging over, haunting, revolving,

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ploughing, turning-up)(the she-cities),

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ὃ πρὸς τὰς πόλεις πεπόνθασιν,

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ADEIMANTOS: that not self-sung ( but intertwined ) the him in me,

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SOKRATES: that not even(are)is(we)one-we,

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( but one = one-we? )

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ὥστε οὐδ᾽ ἔστιν ἓν

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ADEIMANTOS: nor is her-we too ( entangled ) with his-me

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( his special snowflake son ),

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SOKRATES: nor(is there an)other suffering of this sort,

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οὐδὲν ἄλλο τοιοῦτον πεπονθός,

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ADEIMANTOS: but still, he-being ( woven and blurring together ) in me,

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SOKRATES: but still, it(-he stands-in-need-of)(you stand-

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in-need-of)(stand-in-need-of, you!)(bind, you!)(you bind)

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(he binds)(to-by-for Zeus)(it)s necessary,

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ADEIMANTOS: to separate himself from myself,

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SOKRATES: from many representations(o representings,

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image-likenings, portrayings, comparings, describings,

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resemblings, conjecture-formings),

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ADEIMANTOS: the manly-many ( and whenever

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we pull the thread ) its hims-in-me,

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SOKRATES: to(lead-fetch)bring-by-gathering(him)self-together,

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ἀλλὰ δεῖ ἐκ πολλῶν αὐτὸ συναγαγεῖν εἰκάζοντα

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ADEIMANTOS: by psycho-mimetic ( to try

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and gently untangle ) chiasmorganic( ! )geometry,

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or a subtle spiders sticky silken thread,

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SOKRATES: and(indeed)defense-speaking(making-

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doing-apologia)over(in-defense-of)(her-

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and him- and it)selves(too),

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καὶ ἀπολογούμενον ὑπὲρ αὐτῶν,

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ADEIMANTOS: and indeed, defending this-she ( we find

\n

another knot ) made by ( a god? a poet? ) you?

\n

SOKRATES: such as those writers(o writers, o painters,

\n

o scribes, scriveners, copyists)(you are scratched-grazed

\n

)(of writings, paintings, drawings, delineations, outlines,

\n

embroidery, letters, documents, books, laws,

\n

statements, contracts, catalogues, lists, inscriptions,

\n

writings, such as, of)goat-stags,

\n

(a tragelaphos, from tragos + elaphos, fantastical animal,

\n

and drinking-cups upon-which they were scratched, and

\n

whosits and whatsisnames, which later would name

\n

real animals, a wild goat or an antelope,

\n

but how would he know that?),

\n

οἷον οἱ γραφῆς τραγελάφους

\n

ADEIMANTOS: its like he glued himself

\n

( and another ) ( me )

\n

onto the cutest semi-feral cat

\n

( Sri Rejeki, that u? ),

\n

SOKRATES: and(indeed, the mixings-joinings)(they scratch

\n

and graze)(they would be scratched and grazed)

\n

(to-)by(-for)(the ones)writing(scratching, grazing)

\n

(marking)(representing)(drawing)(painting)(description),

\n

(they write)(they would be written)those

\n

(o she-dyads)of-this-sort,

\n

καὶ τὰ τοιαῦτα μειγνύντες γράφουσιν.

\n

ADEIMANTOS: self-scratching ( endlessly )

\n

( and self-sticking, pink like bubblegum,

\n

and self-stretching too ) ( hmm ) ( ooh )

\n

into the nature of his so-called self.

\n

//

\n

from Republic VI

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ADEIMANTOS: be nice, be good,
\nbe brains-for-glue, be ready for bed,
\nbe perimenopausal and crampy;

\n

SOKRATES: but what(about)(needful-surely-
\nbinding)the(he-)second(he-)this?

\n

ADEIMANTOS: but we dont ask ourselves
\nto smile through the hurt
\nits nothing, if youre already dead
\nbut we feel it;

\n

SOKRATES: (we raised-lifted-up)

\n

ADEIMANTOS: you made us serve;
\nyou made her wipe your nose!
\ncouldnt you just have said,
\nbe a cook, a maid, a nurse?

\n

SOKRATES: do you)suppose the god to be(a)wizard,
\n(an enchanter who howls out enchantments,
\na sorcerer, a juggler, a cheat)?

\n

ADEIMANTOS: do you suppose
\na heart to be
\nan endless void to yell into?

\n

SOKRATES: and(indeed)(do you suppose the god
\nto be such as(would)out-of(a)scheme(she-plot, treachery,
\nconspiracy-against, will-design-determination-upon),
\nbecome visible(appear, present-to-the-eye-
\nmind, present-to-the-imagination)otherwise,
\nin(to-by-for)other ideas(forms-shapes),

\n

now-and-then(on the one hand)becoming himself,
\nand(indeed)changing(altering-exchanging)the eidos(form-
\nshape)of-himself into many morphe(shapes-forms),

\n

then-and-now(on the other hand)cheating(deceiving)us,
\nand(indeed)making(these)around himself to seem these(things)?

\n

or simple(single-straightforward)(making-single, unfolding, spreading-
\nand-stretching-out, making-plain)(to make simple),

\n

and to-be(indeed)(the)least(-worst)of all
\nto step-out(of, disembark, dismount, over-
\nstep)the she-idea(form-
\nshape-semblance),
\nof-himself?

\n

τί δὲ δὴ ὁ δεύτερος ὅδε;
\nἆρα γόητα τὸν θεὸν οἴει εἶναι
\nκαὶ οἷον ἐξ ἐπιβουλῆς φαντάζεσθαι ἄλλοτε
\nἐν ἄλλαις ἰδέαις
\nτοτὲ μὲν αὐτὸν γιγνόμενον,
\nκαὶ ἀλλάττοντα τὸ αὑτοῦ εἶδος εἰς πολλὰς μορφάς,
\nτοτὲ δὲ ἡμᾶς ἀπατῶντα καὶ ποιοῦντα περὶ αὑτοῦ τοιαῦτα δοκεῖν,
\nἢ ἁπλοῦν
\nτε εἶναι καὶ πάντων ἥκιστα
\nτῆς ἑαυτοῦ ἰδέας ἐκβαίνειν;

\n

KIRKE: o unwearying(man),
\nand(indeed)(needful-surely-binding)again(bow wow),
\nwarlike works have occupied you(r care, interest, thoughts)

\nand(indeed)hard work(toil, suffering, stress, pain);

\n

SOKRATES: but what(about)this?

\n

(is)nt(she-)necessary(force-constraint),
\nif(indeed)some(one)becomes-separated(arises-out-of,
\nstands-aside-from, out-of-the-way, ceases-retires-
\nfrom, abandons, degenerates-departs-
\nfrom)(ex-ists)the she-idea
\nof-himself,

\n

(that he)himself change-position(be-placed-in-
\nanother-way, given-another-instead, set-
\nfree)(meta-ist)
\neither
\nby(from-under)himself,
\nor by(from-under)an-other?

\n

τί δὲ τόδε; οὐκ ἀνάγκη, εἴπερ τι ἐξίσταιτο
\nτῆς αὑτοῦ ἰδέας,
\nἢ αὐτὸ ὑφ᾽ ἑαυτοῦ μεθίστασθαι ἢ ὑπ᾽ ἄλλου;

\n

ADEIMANTOS: (to-by-for)the reader
\nfor her, be happy,
\nbe grateful for her,
\nwhomsoever your-hers be

\n

KIRKE: will(would)you yield(give way, withdraw, depart, comply)
\nnot even(to-by-for)immortal gods?

\n

‘σχέτλιε, καὶ δὴ αὖ τοι πολεμήια ἔργα μέμηλε
\nκαὶ πόνος: οὐδὲ θεοῖσιν ὑπείξεαι ἀθανάτοισιν;

\n

ADEIMANTOS: spun(golden)spiderwebs
\nfrom insight binding all the way through the bronze age
\nthat others have things so much worse

\n

SOKRATES: therefore, by(from-under)truly(the moon)(the)other,
\nthe best-least(-worst)(ones)having-holding(other-brunches,
\nthe best meal)(the best-least-worst-ones),
\nare making-different(changing-altering)
\nand(indeed)moving, the best-least
\n(worst-ones)

\n

ADEIMANTOS: its a true thing
\nto be a warm body
\nwhose heart is stirring

\n

SOKRATES: such as(a)body
\nby(from-under)bread(grain, rice, corn, food),
\nand(indeed)drinks(hydration, flying-drunk, drinking-high),
\nand(indeed)hard-work(toil-struggle-labor-mogis-pos),

\n

ADEIMANTOS: basic things
\nand others, which are
\nconveniently always there
\nfor the fortunate

\n

SOKRATES: and(indeed)all growth(all that grows, plants, trees,
\nanimal-body too, shaped by nature, without art)
\nby(from-under the)warmths-of-the-sun,
\nand(indeed, from-all-ways, the)winds,
\nand(indeed other)such sufferings,

\n

(are)nt the healthy-most(o most-healthy)
\nand(indeed the)strongest(o most-strong-hard-severe-violent)
\nleast(-worst)(being)made-different(changing, altering)?

\n

οὐκοῦν ὑπὸ μὲν ἄλλου
\nτὰ ἄριστα ἔχοντα ἥκιστα
\nἀλλοιοῦταί τε καὶ κινεῖται; 

\n

οἷον σῶμα
\nὑπὸ σιτίων τε καὶ ποτῶν καὶ πόνων,
\nκαὶ πᾶν φυτὸν
\nὑπὸ εἱλήσεών τε καὶ ἀνέμων
\nκαὶ τῶν τοιούτων παθημάτων,
\nοὐ τὸ ὑγιέστατον καὶ ἰσχυρότατον
\n381α] ἥκιστα ἀλλοιοῦται;

\n

ADEIMANTOS: we-healthy-training
\nto be quiet, be silent, be invisible,
\nand at the same time to shine

\n

KIRKE: but she(to-by-for)you(is)not mortal;

\n

ἡ δέ τοι οὐ θνητή

\n

SOKRATES: but(her-)soul
\n(being)the most-manly-courageous
\nand(indeed the)most-phronimos(in-her-senses,
\npractical-wisdom-discerning),

\n

ADEIMANTOS: and yet you call us

\n

SOKRATES: (o least-worst-he),

\n

ADEIMANTOS: then dare to question the lack of affection
\nbut at least part of us
\nis laughing

\n

SOKRATES: wouldnt from-without any pathos(experience-
\npassion-suffering-change-affection-accident)
\nleast(worst)stir-up(trouble-trouble)
\nand(indeed)make-different(change,
\nalter)(her-the-soul)?

\n

ψυχὴν δὲ οὐ τὴν ἀνδρειοτάτην
\nκαὶ φρονιμωτάτην
\nἥκιστ᾽ ἄν τι ἔξωθεν
\nπάθος ταράξειέν
\nτε καὶ ἀλλοιώσειεν;

\n

ADEIMANTOS: how do we fathom
\nhow did they fathom we would
\nthe world would
\nall would
\nthe sky would
\nthe earth would
\nthe ocean would
\nthe en-souled-wood
\nthe slow-burning ember
\nbe haunted by the words

\n

MEDEIS: but near the beautifully-flowing spring, where(there)
\n(the)lord killed(a)she-dragon, child of Zeus, from(a)strong
\nbow(you would live and pass your life), well-fed(fat)(goodly)large,

\n

ἀγχοῦ δὲ κρήνη καλλίρροος, ἔνθα δράκαιναν
\nκτεῖνεν ἄναξ, Διὸς υἱός, ἀπὸ κρατεροῖο βιοῖο,
\nζατρεφέα, μεγάλην,

\n

ADEIMANTOS: we admit it
\nwe arrived here because
\nit feels amazing
\nto be reborn a dragon-\nblooded wizard

\n

but love asks and answers
\nhere-and-now
\n“when have you given me reason for it?"
\nthe sweet words
\ntrying to escape
\non the page, out in(to)the world

\n

we stop
\nout of fear
\nbut of what exactly
\nwe ask myself

\n

well my husband told me
\nwe need to stop now
\nand take a rest day tomorrow
\nand hes right
\nand we owe him

\n

everything

\n

and she to whom we owe
\nall this
\nbeing alive
\n(as you see)\nhas given me
\na mercy-out

\n

o lord
\nwas she Xanthippe?
\ndid you read that(gossip)story
\nabout how she poured pee on his head?
\nwe agree he one-hundred-percent deserved it
\nyet somehow we consider me
\nextraordinarily lucky
\nextraordinarily
\nbeloved

\n

when not(somehow)\n(somewhere)enraged

\n

anyway
\nthe valley out
\nuntil edits tomorrow
\nread on at himselfs risk
\nits rough
\nruff-ruff
\nbrainmetl

\n

SOKRATES: and(indeed),
\ntruly(the moon)somewhere(somehow)
\nand(indeed)the(she-dyad)at least,

\n

according(-through)the logos(word-speech-account)itself,
\nthe(she-dyad)well-having-working-at(making-doing-
\nperforming)and(indeed, they)well-having-and-holding,
\nby(from-under)time,
\nand(indeed)
\nby(from-under)the other
\nsufferings(misfortunes, emotions, affections, feelings),

\n

all-compound-composite(dyad-)vessels(outfit-gear),
\nand(indeed)house-buildings,
\nand garments-wraps-clothes,

\n

(the)least(worst)makes-different(changes-
\nalters)(the least-worst).

\n

καὶ μήν που καὶ τά γε
\nσύνθετα πάντα σκεύη
\nτε καὶ οἰκοδομήματα
\nκαὶ ἀμφιέσματα
\nκατὰ τὸν αὐτὸν λόγον
\nτὰ εὖ εἰργασμένα
\nκαὶ εὖ ἔχοντα
\nὑπὸ χρόνου
\nτε καὶ τῶν ἄλλων παθημάτων
\nἥκιστα ἀλλοιοῦται.

\n

MEDEIS: (a)wild(savage, harsh, ungoverned, agrarian)(wonder-)sign
\n(a marvel, portent, monstrous monstrosity of wonder),

\n

τέρας ἄγριον,

\n

SOKRATES: (the)all,
\n(needful-surely-binding)

\nhas and holds(we have
\nand hold)it(having-holding
\n)beautifully(the all),

\n

either(by)nature(-dyad)(would-will produce, make-grow, put-
\nforth-scions)(youll wax, spring-up-forth,
\nbe born, become your nature),

\n

by art(skill-craft-cunning
\nrules-system-method
\n-tricks), 

\n

or by both,

\n

(the all)admits(approves, allows, gives-ears-to, attends-
\nas-possibility)the smallest(least)(-she-)(change)(turnover-
\ntransition-reversal-eclipse)
\nby(from-under the)other.

\n

πᾶν δὴ τὸ καλῶς ἔχον
\nἢ φύσει ἢ τέχνῃ ἢ ἀμφοτέροις
\nἐλαχίστην μεταβολὴν
\nὑπ᾽ ἄλλου ἐνδέχεται.

\n

MEDEIS: she-which was doing(offering as sacrifice)many evil(ill-
\nugly)human beings on earth, many selves(on the one hand)
\nand many(on the other)long-striding sheep(goats, small
\ncattle, apples, rose-apples, peaches, apricots, quince,
\ncheeks, girls breasts, under-eye-swellings, tonsils,
\ncups shaped like apples),

\n

ἣ κακὰ πολλὰ
\nἀνθρώπους ἔρδεσκεν ἐπὶ χθονί, πολλὰ μὲν αὐτούς,
\nπολλὰ δὲ μῆλα ταναύποδ᾽,

\n

SOKRATES: but-still(truly the moon)
\nthe god, at-least, and(indeed)the(she-dyad)of the god
\nwholly has(and holds)(youre had and held)(he was pouring-out
\nand letting-flow and melting and shedding
\nthe viper-dyad, to-for-
\nby the viper)
\nthe best.

\n

ἀλλὰ μὴν ὁ θεός γε
\nκαὶ τὰ τοῦ θεοῦ
\nπάντῃ ἄριστα ἔχει.

\n

MEDEIS: since(youre following the dyad-word-song),
\n(she was)becoming(become, you
\n(a)red-tawny misery-bane.

\n

ἐπεὶ πέλε πῆμα δαφοινόν.

\n

SOKRATES: to-for-by-this-she, then(needful-surely-binding), the god-
\nleast(-worst)would hold(check-curb-keep-back-restrain-
\nhold-have-conceive-receive-involve-
\nbe-capable-of)many shapes.

\n

ταύτῃ μὲν δὴ ἥκιστα ἂν πολλὰς μορφὰς ἴσχοι ὁ θεός.

\n

MEDEIS: and once(o real-drunk, a)receptacle(receiving)(bringing
\nto light, showing-forth)of(from)gold-throned Hera, (she)brought-up
\n(reared, kept, grew, let-grow, contained)(thickening,
\nbecoming curdled, firm)

\n

καὶ ποτε δεξαμένη χρυσοθρόνου ἔτρεφεν Ἥρης

\n

SOKRATES: but still then-and-there, would he-himself turn-
\nabout(throw-into a different position, undergo a change)
\nand make different(change, alter)himself?

\n

ἀλλ᾽ ἆρα αὐτὸς αὑτὸν μεταβάλλοι ἂν καὶ ἀλλοιοῖ;

\n

MEDEIS: the terrible(dread-wondrous-clever-strange)and
\npainful(troublesome-vexatious)Typhon, misery-bane(to-by-
\nfor)mortals(blood-
\ngore);

\n

( δεινόν τ᾽ ἀργαλέον τε Τυφάονα, πῆμα βροτοῖσιν ):

\n

SOKRATES: which therefore,
\ndoes he turn about(throw into a different position, undergo
\na change)(you turn and change)himself
\nfor the better and(indeed)more beautiful,
\nor for the worse(lowlier-meaner)and the uglier of himself?

\n

πότερον οὖν
\nἐπὶ τὸ βέλτιόν τε καὶ κάλλιον
\nμεταβάλλει ἑαυτὸν
\nἢ ἐπὶ τὸ χεῖρον καὶ τὸ αἴσχιον ἑαυτοῦ;

\n

MEDEIS: which-whom(drunk-as)ever(then-and-there)(she was tilling)(sowing)
\n(to raise-up)(she raised-up)(we raised-up)(be raised, you)(o prayers)(o vows)
\n(o curses)(she, striving, gained)Hera-angering,
\n(to-by-for)Zeus-father,
\nwas bringing(him-it)forth,

\n

ὅν ποτ᾽ ἄρ᾽ Ἥρη ἔτικτε χολωσαμένη Διὶ πατρί,

\n

SOKRATES: most correct; but(we were,

\nthey were, he was, we say)say(you)we.

\n

and(indeed)thus of having(holding)does anyone seem
\n(you self-seem)(by a kind of meteor)to-for-by you,
\nO Adeimantos(fearless prophet),
\nwillingly to make himself worse(lowlier-meaner)
\n(he was mastering-subduing)(master-
\nsubdue, you)in any way whatsoever,
\namong gods or among human beings?

\n

ὀρθότατα, ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ, λέγεις.
\nκαὶ οὕτως ἔχοντος δοκεῖ ἄν τίς σοι,
\nὦ Ἀδείμαντε, ἑκὼν αὑτὸν χείρω ποιεῖν
\nὁπῃοῦν ἢ θεῶν ἢ ἀνθρώπων;

\n

MEDEIS: when(there-and-then)(we raised-up)(dyad-prayer)(dyad-ruin)
\n(we have taught)(she has taught)(the One)the glorious son of Kronos
\nbrought-into-the-world(Athena)(Athens)the city
\nin(to-for-by)the head(crown-peak-
\nsummit-apex-extremity-
\ntip, the sum);

\n

ἡνίκ᾽ ἄρα Κρονίδης ἐρικυδέα γείνατ᾽ Ἀθήνην
\nἐν κορυφῇ:

\n

HOMER: but(he)addressed(the agora)himself,

\n

αὐτὸς δέ σφ᾽ ἀγόρευε,

\n

SOKRATES: impossible then-and-there,
\n(we)were saying, and(indeed,
\nto-by-for the)god(altering)
\nto wish to alter himself,

\n

but-still as(it)seems,
\n(the)most-beautiful-and-best-being
\nwith-respect(in)to(its)potential
\neach(among)selves,

\n

(it)remains(you remain)(might-force-
\nstrength-dyad)(by force)always simple
\nin the shape of itself.

\n

ἀδύνατον ἄρα, ἔφην,
\nκαὶ θεῷ ἐθέλειν αὑτὸν ἀλλοιοῦν,
\nἀλλ᾽ ὡς ἔοικε,
\nκάλλιστος καὶ ἄριστος ὢν
\nεἰς τὸ δυνατὸν
\nἕκαστος αὐτῶν
\nμένει ἀεὶ ἁπλῶς
\nἐν τῇ αὑτοῦ μορφῇ.

\n

MEDEIS: but she-lady-mistress Hera quickly angered
\nand(was eating)after gathering(by begging)together
\n(the)immortals, she said;

\n

ἣ δ᾽ αἶψα χολώσατο πότνια Ἥρη
\nἠδὲ καὶ ἀγρομένοισι μετ᾽ ἀθανάτοισιν ἔειπε:

\n

HERA: hear(of)me(you all), o all(children and fathers)gods(she would shine)
\nand all(o all)(get it, you)(to sprinkle)(she would sprinkle)(besprinkle
\npharmakon)(be partaken)(by all)(by the goddess)goddesses,

\n

( κέκλυτέ μευ, πάντες τε θεοὶ πᾶσαί τε θέαιναι ),

\n

SOKRATES: but-still, then-and-there,
\nbut(we were, they were, he was, we say)we(you)say,

\n

(are)the gods(them)selves(on the one hand)(we are)
\nsuch-as wouldnt throw-after(to turn quickly),

\n

but(to-by-for)our makings(they make)to seem(of she)selves
\nto appear(come-to-light)(shine-forth)(saffron-veiled, like the dawn)
\n(to reveal)of-every(kind, sorts, folds, ways, countries, shapes, . .),

\n

deceiving(beguiling, seducing, swindling, tricking, cheating)and(indeed)
\nensorceling(bewitching, beguiling, fascinating,
\nhowling-wizard-
\nplaying)(we)?

\n

ἀλλ᾽ ἆρα, ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ,
\nαὐτοὶ μὲν οἱ θεοί εἰσιν οἷοι μὴ μεταβάλλειν,
\nἡμῖν δὲ ποιοῦσιν δοκεῖν σφᾶς παντοδαποὺς φαίνεσθαι,
\nἐξαπατῶντες καὶ γοητεύοντες;

\n

HERA: as(first)cloud(dyad)gatherer Zeus leads(begins-governs)to dishonor me
\nfirst, since(you are and approach the dyad-word-song)(he)made
\nme(poetry, a)careful-knowing-wife(of knowing);

\n

ὡς ἔμ᾽ ἀτιμάζειν ἄρχει νεφεληγερέτα Ζεὺς
\nπρῶτος, ἐπεί μ᾽ ἄλοχον ποιήσατο κέδν᾽ εἰδυῖαν:

\n

SOKRATES: but what? but(we were,
\nthey were, he was, we say)we(you)say;

\n

would(the)god(o god)wish to be cheated(balked, disappointed,
\ndeceived, mistaken)either(to-by-for the)logos(word-
\nspeech-account)or(to-by-for the)work(act-
\ndeed)stretching-forth(holding-out
\n)(a)phantasm?

\n

τί δέ; ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ:
\nψεύδεσθαι θεὸς ἐθέλοι
\nἂν ἢ λόγῳ ἢ ἔργῳ
\nφάντασμα προτείνων;

\n

HERA: and(indeed)now, apart(from)me(you would throw-up)he
\nbrought-forth(bring-forth, you)gleaming-eyed(Athena)(Athens)(the city),

\n

καὶ νῦν ( νόσφιν ἐμεῖο ) τέκε γλαυκῶπιν Ἀθήνην,

\n

SOKRATES: dont(you)(you-have-seen)know,
\nbut(we were, they were, he was, we say)we(you)say,

\n

that at-least as the true(unconcealedly)falsehood(lie),
\nif and such(as)this to speak,
\nall gods and(indeed)human beings(to-by-for hatings)hate(that)?

\n

οὐκ οἶσθα, ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ,
\nὅτι τό γε ὡς ἀληθῶς ψεῦδος,

\nεἰ οἷόν τε τοῦτο εἰπεῖν,
\nπάντες θεοί τε καὶ ἄνθρωποι μισοῦσιν;

\n

HERA: she(-all-)distinguised(she distinguishes)(your-self-distinguishing)
\n(possession)among all(children and fathers)(the)blessed immortals(she
\nwould)(they make immortal)(by makings immortal);

\n

ἣ πᾶσιν μακάρεσσι μεταπρέπει ἀθανάτοισιν:

\n

SOKRATES: in-this-way, but(we were,
\nthey were, he was, we say)we(you)say,

\n

that no one(o no one)willingly wishes, somehow, (to-by-for)the lord-
\nmaster(authority-with-most-power, most-sovereign)of themselves
\nto be cheated(deceived-beguiled), and(indeed)
\nabout(around)the lord-masters(authority-mosts),

\n

but-still, of-all, (he)fears the-most, to-have-been-got(ten,
\nacquired, possessed)there,
\n(in his lord-master).

\n

οὕτως, ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ,
\nὅτι τῷ κυριωτάτῳ που ἑαυτῶν ψεύδεσθαι
\nκαὶ περὶ τὰ κυριώτατα οὐδεὶς ἑκὼν ἐθέλει,
\nἀλλὰ πάντων μάλιστα φοβεῖται ἐκεῖ αὐτὸ κεκτῆσθαι.

\n

ACHILLES: but in — (he)stuck(planted-fixed-firmly-fast,
\nthe skolops)pointed(spears, thorns, palisades, hooks);

\n

ἐν δὲ σκόλοπας κατέπηξεν:

\n

SOKRATES: for you suppose me, (we)were saying,
\nto speak something revered(august-holy-stately-majestic-proud-
\nhaughty-solemn-pompous-grand);

\n

but(we-being-we)say that(to-by-for)the soul
\n(around)about the beings
\nto be deceived(cheated-beguiled)
\nand(indeed)to have-been-deceived(beguiled)
\nand(indeed)to be ignorant(stupid, unlearned)
\nand(indeed)to have-and-hold, here-then-and-there,
\nand(indeed)to-have-been-got(ten, acquired, possessed)
\nall(o all)least(-worst)would receive
\n(or show-forth)the falsehood(lie),
\nand(indeed, they)hate(by hatings)most
\n(it)self in the such-as-that.

\n

οἴει γάρ τί με, ἔφην, σεμνὸν λέγειν:
\nἐγὼ δὲ λέγω ὅτι τῇ ψυχῇ
\nπερὶ τὰ ὄντα
\nψεύδεσθαί τε καὶ ἐψεῦσθαι
\nκαὶ ἀμαθῆ εἶναι καὶ ἐνταῦθα ἔχειν

\nτε καὶ κεκτῆσθαι τὸ ψεῦδος πάντες ἥκιστα ἂν δέξαιντο,
\nκαὶ μισοῦσι μάλιστα αὐτὸ ἐν τῷ τοιούτῳ.

\n

HERA: nevertheless, he who at least has been weakly-halting-born(to have
\nbeen born)(they had been born)among all(children and fathers)gods
\n(by possession)

\n

αὐτὰρ ὅ γ᾽ ἠπεδανὸς γέγονεν μετὰ πᾶσι θεοῖσι

\n

SOKRATES: but-still(truly the moon)
\nat-least(would be the)most(plural)correct,

\n

he-which just-now(we-they)were saying(the elegy),
\nthis, as truly(unconcealedly)lie(falsehood)would(will)be called,
\nshe(who)in(to)the soul un-knows(her)she(self)of-him(self)having-been-deceived;
\n(wags tail)

\n

ἀλλὰ μὴν ὀρθότατά γ᾽ ἄν,
\nὃ νυνδὴ ἔλεγον,
\nτοῦτο ὡς ἀληθῶς ψεῦδος καλοῖτο,
\nἡ ἐν τῇ ψυχῇ ἄγνοια ἡ τοῦ ἐψευσμένου: 

\n

since(you are already following the dyad-word-song)
\nthat some(kind-of)copy(counterfeit-imitation), at least
\nin(to)the words(speeches-accounts)of-him(self)
\nin(to)the soul(we)is(are)(a copy)of suffering(misfortune, affection
\nand(indeed)having-later-becoming(an)eidolon(image-phantom-idol),
\nnot(wholly)perfectly(an)un-mixed falsehood(lie).

\n

ἐπεὶ τό γε ἐν τοῖς λόγοις μίμημά τι τοῦ
\nἐν τῇ ψυχῇ ἐστὶν παθήματος
\nκαὶ ὕστερον γεγονὸς εἴδωλον,
\nοὐ πάνυ ἄκρατον ψεῦδος. 

\n

or(why?)as(if)not(eh!)in-this-way?

\n

ἢ οὐχ οὕτω;

\n

HERA: my(all)child(child and father)Hephaistos, shrivelled-shrunken-
\ncrooked feet, him-it(we brought-forth)(they brought-forth)(bringing-
\nforth)herself(o herself);

\n

παῖς ἐμὸς Ἥφαιστος, ῥικνὸς πόδας, ὃν τέκον αὐτή:

\n

SOKRATES: the(truly the moon)(binding-surely-needful)
\n(to-by-for)the-being lie(falsehood in relation to “what is”)
\nnot only by(from-under)gods
\nbut-still and(indeed)by(from-under)human beings
\n(is)hated.

\n

τὸ μὲν δὴ
\nτῷ ὄντι ψεῦδος

\nοὐ μόνον ὑπὸ θεῶν
\nἀλλὰ καὶ ὑπ᾽ ἀνθρώπων
\nμισεῖται.

\n

HERA: (my)shame, whom(to-by-for)me(she would throw-up)
\nand(indeed, my)blame(reproach-disgrace-censure)into the sky(heaven)(whom)
\nand(indeed)herself(o herself)

\n

αἶσχος ἐμοὶ καὶ ὄνειδος ἐν οὐρανῷ ὅντε καὶ αὐτή

\n

SOKRATES: but what(about the)(needful-surely-
\nbinding)in(to)the speeches(words-accounts)lie?
\nand(when indeed)ever(o drinkin)(to-by-for)it(d
\nbe)useful(serviceable),
\nso-as not to-be worthy(of)hatred?

\n

τί δὲ δὴ τὸ ἐν τοῖς λόγοις ψεῦδος;
\nπότε καὶ τῷ χρήσιμον,
\nὥστε μὴ ἄξιον εἶναι μίσους;

\n

(they raised-up)(be raised, you!)
\n(we raise up)(to raise up!)(drinkincups?)

\n

(is it)not toward hostile-enemies
\nand(indeed, before beauty-will-being-)called-friends,
\nwhen through madness(mania)
\nor some un-thoughtful(foolish)evil(ill-ugly)
\n(they)would attempt doing something,
\nthen(it)comes-to-be useful(servicable)
\nas(a)pharmakon(drug-medicine-cure)
\nfor-the-sake-of turning-away(prevention)?

\n

ἆρ᾽ οὐ πρός τε τοὺς πολεμίους καὶ τῶν καλουμένων φίλων,
\nὅταν διὰ μανίαν ἤ τινα ἄνοιαν κακόν τι ἐπιχειρῶσιν πράττειν,
\nτότε ἀποτροπῆς ἕνεκα ὡς φάρμακον χρήσιμον γίγνεται;

\n

and in which(-she-whiches)just-now(we)were saying
\n(to-for-by)mythologia(word-story-speech-accounts),
\nthrough it not to(have-seen)know
\nin-which-way(the)true(unconcealed)has-and-holds
\n(you, viper-dyad, are having-and-being-held,
\nto-by-for the viper)about(around)the ancients
\n(making-ancient)(o making-ancient)(making-ancient),

\n

making-like, (to-by-for)the(she-dyad)true, the falsehood(lie)(like it),
\n(and)that(as)much(as possible), thus
\n(we)make(it)useful(serviceable)?

\n

καὶ ἐν αἷς νυνδὴ ἐλέγομεν ταῖς μυθολογίαις,
\nδιὰ τὸ μὴ εἰδέναι ὅπῃ τἀληθὲς ἔχει περὶ τῶν παλαιῶν,
\nἀφομοιοῦντες τῷ ἀληθεῖ τὸ ψεῦδος ὅτι μάλιστα,
\nοὕτω χρήσιμον ποιοῦμεν;

\n

HERA: we hurled-cast-threw(she threw)(to throw)(be thrown, you)(by braided-
\nwork)(o hurling)(o dyad-king)(o dyad-accomplishment)(o lord)(o dyad-
\nfulfilment)(o silly-witless)(we will be lord)upwards(to-by-for)hands

\n

ῥῖψ᾽ ἀνὰ χερσὶν

\n

SOKRATES: according(through)what,
\n(needful-surely-binding)then, of these,
\n(to-by-for)the god,
\n(is)the falsehood(lie), useful(serviceable)?

\n

(is it)because-of(that)which(he does)nt(having-seen)know,
\n(or through)making-like the(she-dyad-)ancients,
\n(that he)would be deceived(beguiled)?

\n

κατὰ τί δὴ οὖν τούτων τῷ θεῷ τὸ ψεῦδος χρήσιμον;
\nπότερον διὰ τὸ μὴ εἰδέναι τὰ παλαιὰ ἀφομοιῶν ἂν ψεύδοιτο;

\n

HERA: (dyad-)(will-be-)(taking-seizing-grasping)(conquering by force)
\nand(indeed)(they throw-in)(throw-in, you)(o throwing-in)we threw-in
\n(dyad-breadth to)by(for)the wide-broad sea;

\n

ἑλοῦσα καὶ ἔμβαλον εὐρέι πόντῳ:

\n

SOKRATES: (a)poet(author)(on the one hand)
\nthere-and-then false(lying-untrue)in(to)god-
\nis-in-not.

\n

ποιητὴς μὲν ἄρα ψευδὴς ἐν θεῷ οὐκ ἔνι.

\n

ACHILLES: but still, not even so
\n(is he)able
\nto hold(keep-back-restrain)
\n(the)strength(of)man-slaying Hektor;

\n

ἀλλ᾽ οὐδ᾽ ὧς δύναται σθένος Ἕκτορος ἀνδροφόνοιο
\nἴσχειν:

\n

SOKRATES: but-still, fearing
\nthe hated(ones, hostile enemies),
\n(he would)lie?

\n

ἀλλὰ δεδιὼς τοὺς ἐχθροὺς ψεύδοιτο;

\n

HERA: but-still(dyad-)silver-footed Thetis, (the)dauther of Nereus, accepted-
\nreceived-heard-welcomed(brought-to-light, showed-forth, made-
\nknown, explained, exhibited)her

\n

ἀλλά ἑ Νηρῆος θυγάτηρ Θέτις ἀργυρόπεζα

\n

SOKRATES: but-still,
\nthrough familiars(family-house),
\non-account-of un-thinking(folly),
\nor madness(mania)?

\n

ἀλλὰ δι᾽ οἰκείων ἄνοιαν ἢ μανίαν;

\n

HERA: and(indeed)among(with)those(she would let go, utter, speak, throw, shoot, let-
\nflow, pour, spout-forth)sisters, (she would)(will-to)take-care(provide-
\nfor, attend-to, receive, carry-safe-away, rescue).

\n

δέξατο καὶ μετὰ ᾗσι κασιγνήτῃσι κόμισσεν.

\n

SOKRATES: not there-and-then
\n(they raised-up)(be raised, you!)
\n(we raise up)(to raise up!)
\n(we)is(being),
\nfor-the-sake-of-(itself)-god-would-lie.

\n

οὐκ ἄρα ἔστιν οὗ ἕνεκα ἂν θεὸς ψεύδοιτο.

\n

ACHILLES: but as-long-as(we were)waging-war amongst(the)Achaians
\nHektor(was)not willing to stir-up(urge-on, incite, arouse,
\nawaken, call-forth)(the she-)battle from(the city)wall,

\n

ὄφρα δ᾽ ἐγὼ μετ᾽ Ἀχαιοῖσιν πολέμιζον
\nοὐκ ἐθέλεσκε μάχην ἀπὸ τείχεος ὀρνύμεν Ἕκτωρ,

\n

SOKRATES: wholly there-and-then
\n(they raised-up)(be raised, you!)
\n(we raise up)(to raise up!)
\nun-false(be)
\nthe(daimonic)daimonion
\nand(indeed)the god.

\n

πάντῃ ἄρα ἀψευδὲς τὸ δαιμόνιόν τε καὶ τὸ θεῖον.

\n

ACHILLES: but-still(he)was coming as-far-as(the)Skaiai gates
\nand(indeed the)oak tree;

\n

where(there)once(drunk)(alone)was staying(remaining,
\nawaiting)alone,

\n

ἀλλ᾽ ὅσον ἐς Σκαιάς τε πύλας καὶ φηγὸν ἵκανεν:
\nἔνθά ποτ᾽ οἶον ἔμιμνε,

\n

SOKRATES: exactly(to-by-for)care(attendance, being-
\nlooked-after, cared-for, for horses, for plants, in comforts and supplies)
\nthe simple(making-single, unfolding, stretching-out)(to make-simple)god
\nand(indeed the)true(unconcealing)
\nand in(the)work(deed-act)
\nand(indeed)in(the)logos(word-speech-account),

\n

and(indeed)neither(does the)self change(position, make-way, cease, alter)
\nnor(does he)deceive(trick-seduce-beguile)others
\n(he is deceiving)(you would be and are deceived)
\nnor according(through)phantasia(imagination)
\nnor according(through)speeches(words-accounts)

\nnor according(through)(the)guidance(escort-
\nconduct of)signs(traces-tokens),
\nneither waking, nor
\nsleeping, dreams.

\n

κομιδῇ ἄρα ὁ θεὸς ἁπλοῦν καὶ ἀληθὲς ἔν τε ἔργῳ καὶ λόγῳ,
\nκαὶ οὔτε αὐτὸς μεθίσταται οὔτε ἄλλους ἐξαπατᾷ,
\nοὔτε κατὰ φαντασίας οὔτε κατὰ λόγους οὔτε κατὰ σημείων πομπάς,
\nοὔθ᾽ ὕπαρ οὐδ᾽ ὄναρ.

\n

ACHILLES: but mogis(with toil and pain, hardly, scarcely, just, only just, only
\nafter long years)(did he)escape my onslaught
\n(onset, assault, attack, invasion, rage,
\nshock, cast, impulse, effort, rush
\nto strip a fallen foe — )

\n

μόγις δέ μευ ἔκφυγεν ὁρμήν.

\n

SOKRATES: (you)agree(with and yield)there-and-then
\n(they raised-up)(be raised, you!)(we raise up)(to raise up!),

\nwe were saying,
\n
\nthis second blow(beat-stamp-impression-mark-hollow-cast
\nreplica-image-form-shape-model-impression-outline-
\nsketch-style-etc)to-be,
\n
\nin which its(needing)(its binding)(need, you)(bind, you)necessary
\nabout(around)gods(and goddesses and seeings)
\nand(indeed)to speak and(indeed)to make,

\n

as neither being(howling)wizards(them)selves
\n(to-for-by)which to throw(turning-changing)after themselves,
\nnor(to-by-for)falsehoods(lies)to(mis)lead(divert,
\ninfluence, persuade, introdue)bring-us-forward,
\nin logos(word-speech-account)or in work(deed-act)?

\n

συγχωρεῖς ἄρα, ἔφην,
\nτοῦτον δεύτερον τύπον εἶναι
\nἐν ᾧ δεῖ περὶ θεῶν καὶ λέγειν καὶ ποιεῖν,
\nὡς μήτε αὐτοὺς γόητας ὄντας τῷ μεταβάλλειν ἑαυτοὺς
\nμήτε ἡμᾶς ψεύδεσι παράγειν ἐν λόγῳ ἢ ἐν ἔργῳ;

\n

ADEIMANTOS: we agree

\n

συγχωρῶ.

\n

SOKRATES: (dyads)many(dyads)
\n(they raised-up)(be raised, you!)(we raise up)(to raise up!),
\n(of)Homer(we are)praising(o praising)(applauding)(commending),

\n

but-still(this, )(we will not and would)not praise,
\nthe guidance(conduct-escort of)dreams
\nby(from-under)Zeus, to-for-by Agamemnon;
\n(Agamemnons not good at receiving dreams)
\n(and)neither of Aeschylus, (well drunkenly sing),
\nwhen she-Thetis would say he-Apollo, in her own wedding feasts,
\n(was)pleasing(delighting)(finding favor and acceptance)(gratifying)
\n“to be divided-distributed those-her well-blessed-children”
\n“infinite(inexperiences in)(lands of)sicknesses(anguishes, plagues)

\nand(indeed)long-lasting lives(and ways and means of living),
\nand all-together(o all-together)saying(o saying,
\no)beloved-of-gods my fortunes(of fortune)
\n(o dyad)paean-deliverer-healer-choral-song(he)shouted assent,
\nmy being-in-cheerful-hearted-delight.
\nwe(i)being the mouth(o mouth)un-false(trusty-sincere)
\nthe god of Phoibos(shining-radiant-pure)
\n(they and we)were expecting(and hoping for)to-be,
\nbeing-full-to-bursting(tree moss, oyster-green, liverwort,

\ncatkin, hazel-blossom, marsh-plant, or mossy sea-weed)
\n(to-by-for)(the she-)prophetic(oracular)art(skill-craft-cunning);

\nbut he, himself singing(o singing), himself(the light-ship)being-present

\n(o bring-present)(being-near)(having-arrived)in(the)she-feast,
\nhimself(o)this-she-dyad speaking,
\nhimself(we)is(being)he-killing
\nthe child of mine —

\n

πολλὰ ἄρα Ὁμήρου ἐπαινοῦντες,
\nἀλλὰ τοῦτο οὐκ ἐπαινεσόμεθα,
\nτὴν τοῦ ἐνυπνίου πομπὴν ὑπὸ Διὸς τῷ Ἀγαμέμνονι:
\nοὐδὲ Αἰσχύλου,
\nὅταν φῇ ἡ Θέτις τὸν Ἀπόλλω ἐν τοῖς αὑτῆς
\nγάμοις ᾁδοντα “ἐνδατεῖσθαι τὰς ἑὰς εὐπαιδίας”

\nHom. Il. 2.1—
\n“νόσων τ᾽ ἀπείρους καὶ μακραίωνας βίους,
\nξύμπαντά τ᾽ εἰπὼν θεοφιλεῖς ἐμὰς τύχας
\nπαιᾶν᾽ ἐπηυφήμησεν, εὐθυμῶν ἐμέ.
\nκἀγὼ τὸ Φοίβου θεῖον ἀψευδὲς στόμα
\nἤλπιζον εἶναι, μαντικῇ βρύον τέχνῃ:
\nὁ δ᾽, αὐτὸς ὑμνῶν, αὐτὸς ἐν θοίνῃ παρών,
\nαὐτὸς τάδ᾽ εἰπών, αὐτός ἐστιν ὁ κτανὼν
\nτὸν παῖδα τὸν ἐμόν—
\n”Aesch. Frag. 350

\n

when someone would speak(you would be spoken)these things
\nabout(around)gods(goddesses, seeings),
\n(we)will be severe(sore, grievous, wild-blustering rage)
\nand(indeed we)will not give(the)chorus(dance),
\nneither will(would we)let-go(dismiss)the teachers upon education
\nto use(proclaim an oracle)of the(swimming, spinning, piling-
\nup in heaps)young,
\nif(they are)about to become(by being likely to or delaying)we,
\nthe guardians serving-the-god(you are god-serving)
\nand(indeed)divine(uncles)(o uncles),
\naccording(through)as many as(to-for-by a)human being
\non the most such-as and.

\n

ὅταν τις τοιαῦτα λέγῃ περὶ θεῶν,
\nχαλεπανοῦμέν τε καὶ χορὸν οὐ δώσομεν,

\nοὐδὲ τοὺς διδασκάλους ἐάσομεν ἐπὶ παιδείᾳ χρῆσθαι τῶν νέων,
\nεἰ μέλλουσιν ἡμῖν οἱ φύλακες θεοσεβεῖς τε καὶ θεῖοι γίγνεσθαι,
\nκαθ᾽ ὅσον ἀνθρώπῳ ἐπὶ πλεῖστον οἷόν τε.

\n

ADEIMANTOS: all-in-all

\n

παντάπασιν, ἔφη,

\n

SOKRATES: (we)i(being)at least agreeing-with(yielding-to)these blows(stamps,
\nimpressions, imprints, beats, engravings, reliefs, shapes, etc),
\nand(indeed)as(to-by-for)laws(and customs)
\nwould(consult as an oracle)use.

\n

ἔγωγε τοὺς τύπους τούτους συγχωρῶ,
\nκαὶ ὡς νόμοις ἂν χρῴμην.

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